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I am just wondering, are there any D3 Open records that are not the same as NCAA Meet Records? I know about Payne’s swims, any others?
Also, if we were going to do a list of D3 Open Long Course Meters records, would you count swims performed after college? That would make it really difficult to compile, but it might be fun in a really nerdy kind of way. A couple of guys who swam LCM at a high level: A Duda, Pedro, Boss, J-P Gowdy, D Bollinger, C Courage, Ben Weston, B Holcombe, Rob Peele, Born, Alphonso Espinosa, Eric Dunn, Howard Hines
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Kenyon’s 100 free Varsity Record is from a December meet, and is the varsity record, and not the NCAA D-3 record.
Same with Dennis Mulvihill’s 200 free that MCB broke. MCB has the NCAA record, but Mulvihill has the Kenyon Varsity Record from his swim at D-I NCAA’s that year (1989?).
I say that Open Records should be recognized, and it is not without precedent for those to be considered retroactively (USA Swimming, etc). However, let’s just keep it to events completed while they were actually students at a D-III school.
We can compile a list of “Outstanding Swims by D-III Swimmers, Sometime During or After Their Enrollment, Even in Summertime.” That would include Born’s leg on the former SCM WR 200 FR after he graduated (set at the Hamilton College pool!). Also, that Australian swimmer that spent some time at Kenyon.
Masters records would be pretty cool, but solely based on Age Group. Ben Weston’s great 200 and 400 LCM frees from last summer are on that list, but only for the 25-29 age group. Perhaps 40+ swimmer Hodding Carter’s swims (Kenyon, 1980’s) from the World Meet last summer can count.
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@PioneerSwimming wrote:
Masters records would be pretty cool, but solely based on Age Group.
Worth mentioning these great swims, but it would be impossible to come up with any kind of list.
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@swim5599 wrote:
I believe before the 200 fly record was broken again Whitbeck had a faster time then the listed ncaa record, SHe went a few tenths faster at her conf meet that one year
Yeah, and then Samantha Kephart came along and broke it at her conference meet three years later (although she broke it again at NCAAs).
Derek’s record board has a few NCAA records not set at nationals:
Men’s 1650, Elliot Rushton’s famous November record
Women’s 50 free, Marie Marsman at MIACs
Women’s 100 breast, Lindsay Payne at NESCACs (already noted by Cheadle)Might be a place to start for overall open records. Anybody know if there were any additions or subtractions from this last season?
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