Conference Rosters

From what I hear, divers are going for Gustavus. I’m not sure if that’s the right choice by Mr. Carlson, but looking at the improvement curve of the scores, they probably won’t embarrass themselves.

The past few years, the MIAC has been averaging about 13 male divers at the meet. Easy points, even if you’re not that good.

@Tiger2 wrote:

The past few years, the MIAC has been averaging about 13 male divers at the meet. Easy points, even if you’re not that good.

Even if you go 11-12-13 in both boards you still score 30 points (and I am sure at least one GAC diver will finish top 8 to give them more). With the depth of the conference I am sure that a 18th swimmer on a conference roster will not score that many points. They would have to Average between 9th and 10th in three events to do so. I don’t see a final roster spot swimmer doing that.

@Tiger2 wrote:

The past few years, the MIAC has been averaging about 13 male divers at the meet. Easy points, even if you’re not that good.

I’ve taken a closer look at the diving in the MIAC this year and have some predicted team scores

One meter:
STO: 40
Car: 24
SJU: 21
GAC: 19
UST: 19
Ham: 17
SMU: 13
MAC: 2

Three meter:
STO: 45
Car: 28
GAC: 22
SJU: 21
Ham: 15
SMU: 15
UST: 11
MAC: 3

Bqasically, if Olaf wins Conference, it’ll be on the backs of their divers. All the more reason why divers deserve a bit of love…

@Chapel Partner wrote:

It will be too bad for GAC if the 40-some points they could lose to diving is the difference in the meet.

I don’t think that GAC will lose the meet just because of diving…the difference is roughly 20 points more this year. I don’t think that’s enough to put STO over the top…but it’ll make things really interesting

So then Eminence Front, who do you think will win the Men’s meet? I’m confused… you say both “I don’t think that GAC will lose the meet just because of diving” and “I don’t think that’s enough to put STO over the top” or that you think both teams will lose.
Are you pulling for a Johnnie or Knight upset? (What if those two teams merged? What about a 200 relay of Christanson, Chapman, Friedlander-Holm and Marschall? Or a 400 relay of those boys?)

@frizzy wrote:

What if those two teams merged? What about a 200 relay of Christanson, Chapman, Friedlander-Holm and Marschall? Or a 400 relay of those boys?)

Marschall is much like Skylar Davis…. no top end speed

Clearly I’m better connected to the Northfield Colleges than to the Saint Peter College, but I happen to know that Marschall sprints faster than most of the Carleton sprinters, even immediately following the 400 IM–see the results from Carleton vs. SJU and Grinnell:
http://www.carleton.edu/departments/publ/sportsinfo/swimming/2006-07/carletonminiinvite-2007.htm
Check out his 4:11.19, then his anchor on the Carleton A 200 Free Relay, faster than the other three guys by more than .2
Maybe Skylar Davis doesn’t swim a 21.6, maybe he does. Depends what you call top end speed.

while a 21.6 is fast, it just isnt fast enough (in my opinion) to beat a fully tapered GAC squad. With one of the GAC boys going under 20 (relay start) and the other leading off in a 20. mid and the other two guys going faster than a 21.5 (I think that Hanson and Stewart will swim, even right after the 500, and will still go under 21.5), I just dont think that even a 21.6 is fast enough to win.

@Chapel Partner wrote:

And backstroker, isn’t the 500 after the 200 Free Relay? I think that is why a lot of people (OK, maybe just me and Mac of the MIAC) don’t think Hanson or Stewart even consider the 200FR. But that is all on a different thread.

I will voice (or type) my support. I also don’t think Hanson or Stewart would do the relay because of the 500.

Ted Marshall is the most complete swimmer in the MIAC. Look at the MIAC top times. He is in the top 10 in almost every event. He’s a 59 100 breast stroker, a 54 in the 100 back, and a 22.3 in the 50 free. All un-tapered. Tapered, he splits a 26 in the 50 breast, 57 in the 100 breast, and a 48.3 lead-off in the 100 free. Granted, the 48.3 isn’t great. But he can sprint breast stroke.

http://www.miac-online.org/toptimesmen20207.htm

@caveman12 wrote:

@frizzy wrote:

What if those two teams merged? What about a 200 relay of Christanson, Chapman, Friedlander-Holm and Marschall? Or a 400 relay of those boys?)

Marschall is much like Skylar Davis…. no top end speed

@backstroker02 wrote:

even right after the 500

My bad, I meant to say right before the 500. But my point remains. While a 21.6 is fast, I just dont think it ranks in the conference elite in sprinting, (yes he is on the top times reports in the 50, but I used to be on the top times report back in the day with a 2.07 200 IM, which is definetly not elite by any strech of the word, haha).

Ok I’ve got a question, how much will a 50 free 15-20 minutes before a 500 really change the outcome of their race? Both of them will be a good chunk under “B” cuts in prelims and if things play out like they did last year and if Skylar goes as fast as people seem to think he will GAC will probably go 1-2-3, so order really doesn’t matter team points wise. Why not use them now and see if the back to back swims will affect how they swim the 500? That way if it does GAC can put a couple other guys in at Nationals and Stewart and Hanson swim the 5 fresh when it really matters.

@Eladron wrote:

Ok I’ve got a question, how much will a 50 free 15-20 minutes before a 500 really change the outcome of their race? Both of them will be a good chunk under “B” cuts in prelims and if things play out like they did last year and if Skylar goes as fast as people seem to think he will GAC will probably go 1-2-3, so order really doesn’t matter team points wise. Why not use them now and see if the back to back swims will affect how they swim the 500? That way if it does GAC can put a couple other guys in at Nationals and Stewart and Hanson swim the 5 fresh when it really matters.

If they put some other kids on the relay at nationals those kids would have to qualify somewhere else, if not, then they are not at the meet. Sprinting can effect the 500 a lot even with a 15-20 minute rest, even with proper cool down, even if it is a 50. They may still want to go 1-2-3, but they all want to win it and none of them have automatic qualifying yet, so they all want to go as fast as possible to qualify.

I dont think that there is even a question on who is on that 400 free relay. Hagemeyer, Amundson, Hanson, and Stewart. They are clearly the best 100 swimmers on the team right now.

From the Psych sheet:
Gustavus & Olaf Men bring 3 divers each, every other school brings 2 save Mac which brings one. Yielding 17 divers, both boards.
Women: SMU, UST & Carleton bring one each; Hamline 2; Mac, Concordia, St. Bens & Gustavus 3 each; and here’s the surprise: St. Olaf brings 4 divers.
21 divers for the 1 m, 19 for the 3 m. I haven’t searched for the two not doing the 3m, though it is one each from St. Bens and Concordia.