Conference

Emory sweeps both the men’s and women’s meets. How’s that?

@screeeeeeeeech wrote:

Emory sweeps both the men’s and women’s meets. How’s that?

yaaaawn

@The Treat wrote:

@screeeeeeeeech wrote:

Emory sweeps both the men’s and women’s meets. How’s that?

yaaaawn

I’ll have to disagree. How often do you see teams sweep events at championship meets. The UAA conference isnt that strong, but it is still exciting to see any team take 1-7 (’06 UAAs mens 200 back). Its not like Emory is coming from a strong D1 program like Stanford and swimming at a 12 and U age group champ meet. All teams have the same advantages and disadvantages- no scholarships, coaching staff, support from the school, ect. However, watching teams compete among themselves to create such a fast environment will not only be exciting for all spectators, but the competitors around. Speaking of sweeping events, Emory v. Translyvania– enough said.

The UAA conference isnt that strong,….

I’m confused by this comment…. if you look at top 10 team finishes by conference at NCAA over the past couple years UAA seems to be strongest:
2006
NCAC – 2
UAA – 2
NESCAC – 2
CCIW – 1
MIAC – 1
WIAC – 1
Independent – 1

2005
UAA – 3
NCAC – 2
NEWMAC – 2
NESCAC – 1
MIAC – 1
Independent – 1

So, looking at the past 2 years UAA holds 25% of top 10 finishes:
UAA – 5
NCAC – 4
NESCAC – 3
MIAC – 2
NEWMAC – 2
Independent – 2
CCIW – 1
WIAC – 1

@wickedfoolish wrote:

The UAA conference isnt that strong

That’s just either an ignorant comment or someone trying to stir the pot. Year in and year out the UAA and the NCAC go back and forth as the fastest conferences to win, score in the top 8/16. This may be a down year, but it’s still one of the top conferences.

The NCAC is the “best” conference, the UAA is the deepest. That’s on the men’s side, the NESCAC may have a thing or 2 to say on the women’s side, but it’d still be close.

As for the C heat, while i’m not a UAA expert, i’d venture to guess that it will have 0 impact on the meet as far as placing amongst the top few teams. It will only matter to those teams who are sending people to NCAAs or even heard of the phrase “b cut”. The finals scores will however look really huge, which might be cool!

I feel like the C heat will only matter to teams that are NOT sending anyone to NCAAs. From what I understand, Case, Rochester and Brandeis, the teams that are the most hard-pressed to get second swims, are the ones that really pushed for this. I don’t know, but I can’t really see a Wash U or Emory swimmer, or anyone for that matter, making the dance out of the C heat.

As far as predictions go, Callam is a triple winner in the 50, the 100 fly and the 100 free.
Wash U will not win a relay.
Perry Bullock will get an A cut in the 400im.
Steve Inacker wins the 100 backstroke in 51 low.
NYU q’s their 4free relay.
Carnegie gets 3rd overall, ahead of NYU.

I actually see C heat benefiting CMU the most… I think they will see about 2 dozen extra swims where Washington and NYU get maybe a dozen. My prediction: Emory, NYU, Washington and CMU fight for 3rd.

NYU also qualifies for 200 free relay.

@wickedfoolish wrote:

@The Treat wrote:

@screeeeeeeeech wrote:

Emory sweeps both the men’s and women’s meets. How’s that?

yaaaawn

I’ll have to disagree. How often do you see teams sweep events at championship meets. The UAA conference isnt that strong, but it is still exciting to see any team take 1-7 (’06 UAAs mens 200 back). Its not like Emory is coming from a strong D1 program like Stanford and swimming at a 12 and U age group champ meet. All teams have the same advantages and disadvantages- no scholarships, coaching staff, support from the school, ect. However, watching teams compete among themselves to create such a fast environment will not only be exciting for all spectators, but the competitors around. Speaking of sweeping events, Emory v. Translyvania– enough said.

1. screech said emory and will sweep both the mens and womens meets. i took that as they will win both meets, not win every single event. if he meant them sweeping every single event, that’s a bit of a bold prediction. if that is the case, i take my “yawn” comment back. “yawn” was intended to mean that picking emory to win mens and womens isnt that bold of a prediction. if that was a miscommunication, i apologize.

2. it is not exciting to see emory to 1-7 in the 200 back. i cant blame them for it, but it’s about as exciting as watching scrabble on TV. the lone wolf in that heat didnt stand a chance of winning (i think he was ranked 7th or 8th), so it really didnt matter who won that event for emory. i dont know how you can argue that it is more exciting to watch emory go 1-7 in the 200 back than it is to watch two guys who had some history with each other like halsted and mccarthy from a couple years back duke it out.

3. i know this is going to start a flame war, but support from the schools is not the same. look at the facilities. emory doesnt have a football team. doesnt seem like much, but when the school doesnt have a football team, they have tons of money to spend on other things (i.e. emory’s beautiful pool and their 17 coaches).

not that this is their fault, but emory and nyu are some of the most endowed schools in the country. we can pretend like swimmers dont get scholarships, and technically they don’t, but a high percentage of them end up getting them for leadership, community service, hair braiding, or something else. this is not pointing at a particular school, this happens a lot of places, but some colleges get close to nothing.

coaching being even? yeah right. emory – 4-6 coaches? wash u – 2 coaches. i dont know how many the rest have, but it’s never even. some schools dont give two ****’s about swimming and dont want to pay the money for extra coaches.

next point, emory is in atlanta (i.e. warm). the rest of the schools have crappy winters. seems like something small, but i guarantee weather comes into peoples mind when they make a school choice. look at the top schools in D1 swimming: auburn, florida, stanford, cal, arizona, texas, georgia. notice a pattern? michigan is the exception, but they’ve got TONS of history and have had some legendary coaches. even though all of the UAA’s schools are very good academically, not all have the same admissions requirements.

im not trying to take away from anything emory has done, but they’ve got a pretty sweet deal there. it’s not a huge surprise when they get top recruits year after year. that leads to success, and success breeds success. look at kenyon (or auburn or drury in d2). yes, a lot of that is coaching, but many recruits decide to go to there because it’s a guaranteed national championship.

nothing is even. dont pretend like it is.

Treat,

Seriously man, skip Vegas and go to Cleveland to support Wash U.

not that this is their fault, but emory and nyu are some of the most endowed schools in the country.

That’s not exactly true…. 2005 endowment information (latest available) …. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0112636.html

From a UAA perspective Washington U, Emory and University of Chicago are almost triple NYU’s endowment from a revenue perspective and yet they have 1/3 the students. NYU has over 30,000 students. Alumni contribution rate is 11%, far below average.
Considering this, NYU should not even be on the top 50 list.

2/3 of budget comes from tuition, which is $48,600 including room and board compared to a national average of around $30,000. Only green on campus is shared with more than a million others. Many recruits walk away from this. Other than being in the ‘big apple’ and academic reputation… NYU has no big advantage.

@trout3 wrote:

not that this is their fault, but emory and nyu are some of the most endowed schools in the country.

That’s not exactly true…. 2005 endowment information (latest available) …. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0112636.html

From a UAA perspective Washington U, Emory and University of Chicago are almost triple NYU’s endowment from a revenue perspective and yet they have 1/3 the students. NYU has over 30,000 students. Alumni contribution rate is 11%, far below average.
Considering this, NYU should not even be on the top 50 list.

2/3 of budget comes from tuition, which is $48,600 including room and board compared to a national average of around $30,000. Only green on campus is shared with more than a million others. Many recruits walk away from this. Other than being in the ‘big apple’ and academic reputation… NYU has no big advantage.

actually, i just kind of threw NYU in there. i didnt have any facts, i just heard that they had a large endowment. my apologies.

also, despite the way my last post may have sounded, i have nothing against emory. i have many friends on emory’s swim team. i have a ton of respect for them. i was just pointing out that some schools look very attractive compared to others and it makes a big difference in recruits minds. thats all.

sceeeeeeech wrote:

As far as predictions go, Callam is a triple winner in the 50, the 100 fly and the 100 free.

I think Leckey (WU) and Lardiere (NYU) may have something to say about that…. especially the 100 fr

If Leckey’s not rested, which he wasn’t last year, I don’t think he’ll go the 46 low needed to win. I don’t know enough about NYU, so we could have a race. Callam has been on fire though; he was 21.0 leading off a relay last week (and he’s a better 100 swimmer I think).
Also, I was just being annoying when I said Emory sweeps. I didn’t mean they would win every event, I just meant men and women would win the meet.
Last thing; is Rodjom still swimming? Wasn’t he a senior last year, or am I mistaken?

@screeeeeeeeech wrote:

Last thing; is Rodjom still swimming? Wasn’t he a senior last year, or am I mistaken?

He was in his fourth year of school, but he had to skip a season of swimming for an injury. He still has eligibility and he’s still taking classes at Case, so this is his last year. I thought the same thing and someone posted this answer to me earlier in the season.

I’m curious about the Case pool. If anybody who has swam there can give it a thumbs up or thumbs down that would be cool.

@iswimalottayards wrote:

I’m curious about the Case pool. If anybody who has swam there can give it a thumbs up or thumbs down that would be cool.

Depends what you’re talking about. Big Meet like a conference meet it may be a bit cramped. I’m not a huge fan of the bulkhead, but i am pretty sure the floor didn’t “trick” you… most swimmers should understand that comment. It’s a nice deep pool though, although i don’t like the blocks. I’d say for practice or dual, it’s a big thumbs up, but big meet, maybe just a semi thumbs up.

I think the blocsk are the worst thing. Unless there are relay pads plan on using a towel – they’re slippery.

@iswimalottayards wrote:

I’m curious about the Case pool. If anybody who has swam there can give it a thumbs up or thumbs down that would be cool.

Jon Howell told a couple of his swimmers who had asked questions about the pool that people used to think the Case pool was short because people’s times were so fast there. Apparently its actually a pretty fast pool. Who knows if this was just a coach trying to pump up his swimmers or the actual truth… guess we’ll find out next week.

@swim826 wrote:

@iswimalottayards wrote:

I’m curious about the Case pool. If anybody who has swam there can give it a thumbs up or thumbs down that would be cool.

Jon Howell told a couple of his swimmers who had asked questions about the pool that people used to think the Case pool was short because people’s times were so fast there. Apparently its actually a pretty fast pool. Who knows if this was just a coach trying to pump up his swimmers or the actual truth… guess we’ll find out next week.

I have enjoyed swimming there. I have two best times from that pool (200 IM and 100 fly at last chance meet senior year).

I really enjoyed the last chance meets there, the pool is good and there is plenty of warm up/cool down room if they open up the old pool (it is a little bit of a walk getting there). The problem that I recall is even at the last chance meet they hosted, there wasn’t as much deck space as I would have liked. I imagine a conference meet there will be pretty tight.

There will be relay pads so no towels needed
and the old pool will be open

Thanks for the take on the pool. To be honest, I actually like a crowded deck and smaller pool area. It helps (in my opinion) with crowd noise and energy level which definately helps contribute to fast swims. That was one of the reasons I dislike Conference at Emory. The room is so huge that the crowd noise just evaporates and excitement level kinda fizzles out.

Hope all have a good, snowy, cold time in Drew Carey town!

I actually see C heat benefiting CMU the most… I think they will see about 2 dozen extra swims where Washington and NYU get maybe a dozen. My prediction: Emory, NYU, Washington and CMU fight for 3rd.

Above quote from my previous prediction….

If you look at the effect of this year’s bonus heat at UAA the following additional points were obtained:

Carnegie Mellon 93
Chicago 86
Rochester 77
Case 76
Brandeis 62
Emory 57
NYU 51
Washington 44

C heat did benefit CMU the most… Using last year’s format top 4 would have been consistent with 2006 results… Emory, NYU, Wash, CMU

Wash U actually would have gotten second place to Emory. You also have to figure in the point drop from 32 to 20 for each A final. Assuming every other race is equal, the diving gave NYU 44 more points (11 points per diver, two divers in two events each) with the C final format than the B final would have. So, the C final format bumped Wash U down two spots! I think we can safely conclude that the format can do some serious damage to teams without a lot of depth.

I stand corrected….

could some one please post the adjusted team scores (as in 1st is 20 not 32, etc.) without a boner heat? (I think there is a way to do it in meet manager)