Bubble Watch Men’s 200 Free Relay

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    • #12251
      Rece Davis
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      We do appreciate the ideas and going off the thread in the anonymous forum we decided to jumpstart the topic of our own. As usual we have here our two ‘so called’ experts to discuss which teams are in (or will be in), which teams will have their relay there anyway and how that plays a role into everyone else and maybe 8-10 teams that have a shot to find their way under the line.

      While I do love the bickering between these two I think there is some common ground that we can agree on. Let us assume that 5 teams have already or will certainly qualify the 200 Free Relay, and they are:
      The Big Red of Denison
      The Generals of W&L
      The Blue Jays
      and the two monster led sprint factorys of Gustavus Adolphus and Grove City.

      Gentleman, tell me who we should be watching over the next couple weeks. Who has a shot? Who will make it? Who are your bubble teams? And who is left on the wrong side of the line when all the water is calm?

    • #34324
      swim5599
      Member

      Wheaton bubble but probably going to get in. I would say they go about 1:23.5 or so.

      UWSP going to be close.

    • #34325
      swim5599
      Member

      Everyone on the MIAA forum is expecting a huge 200 FR from Hope, so I will say they are probably going to be close also

    • #34326
      Lee Corso
      Member

      Folks, I’m not going to lie to you, this is a 200 FR so you better watch everyone and I mean everyone. Check out those conferences you haven’t even heard of before because they might have a special relay for this one.

      Did you think Tufts would be in last year? I didn’t.

      Sweetheart, we all know Kenyon doesn’t have those sprinters they did before but they’ll be joining the Big 5 in the quest for the title, those with a legit chance anyway.

      We have 4 more spots and let me run down the names to “LOOK OUT!” for, like falling rocks, except these are a good thing, and I lost my train of thought just like Kirk’s Buckeyes lost their National Title game, now BACK to the teams,
      UCSC – Banana Slugs or not, these boys can swim!
      Williams – I don’t give a hoot if they graduated 3
      Wheaton – Sprint tradition doesn’t die
      Hope – Using young guns
      Wash U – Top seed last year, still not hurting for talent
      St. Johns – Sleeper like that Sleepy Smurf
      St. Olaf – goes unnoticed with Gustavus, but watch out!
      Emory – Deeper than the trouble Miami’s football program is in
      TCNJ – Never sleep on this team, ever, and they only graduate 1
      NYU – Big school, big city, rising team
      UWSP – Chase Gross has fast friends
      UW-LAX – Beat GAC at the Point Invite

      Kirk, Rece, that’s 12 teams, that’s 2 more than get invited total, and i can only pick 4, so here they are boys:
      UCSC
      Williams
      Emory
      TCNJ

      And those of you who go 1:23.5 and think you’re in won’t be sent that ticket to Houston, sorry boys.

    • #34327

      Rece, I see this as an event that helps the teams on the brink of making the meet. I say that because teams like Kenyon and Emory, who I believe will final this relay in March down in Houston may not actually qualify the relay. Emory and Kenyon likely won’t be all the way down at their conference championships and the men that will make up their relay will likely already have cuts. That means potentially there are two freebees, if you will. So that leaves 5-6 at large teams.

      Looking good:
      NYU – Thornton, Lardiere and freshman Pcholinski make for a mean threesome. Throw Guyton into the mix and NYU is dancing in the 200 Free Relay.

      UW Lax – Two weeks ago I don’t think I would’ve said this but they only need to drop .1 per person to put themselves in a position to go.

      Hope – Time Trial or not, they keep finding a way to get this relay to Nats. Lack a stud but don’t have much of a weakness either.

      Bubble Teams:
      UWSP – If it comes together for them they’re sitting in finals, if it doesn’t, they’re throwing something together with who they have there.

      Emory – They may not qualify this relay and it doesn’t make much of a difference to them. If they want a guy like Sloan, he might have to do it on his own.

      Kenyon – Everyone is already heading to Houston, they may even pop off a 1:23+ on accident.

      Williams – This team reloads and just when you think you can count them out, they do something remarkable.

      WashU – Not the same dynamic as last year but the Bears certainly can make enough noise and cut through that water quick enough.

      Needing some luck:
      Wheaton – I wouldn’t put the Thunder past qualifying at all. But this is a tough year to qualify this relay and that relay might not realize Gyorf isn’t camping on the end.

      UCSC – Burst onto the scene earlier than everyone else because their shave meet was earlier. I’m not saying then dont’ belong but they aren’t quite there yet.

      TCNJ – Bishop’s boys always put one of the 200’s together incredibly well. I don’t think he quite has the firepower that he has the previous few years in the sprint relay though.

    • #34328
      swim5599
      Member

      I could see Wash U having a shot. They will lead off 20.8 or 20.9, so that will help, but if the qualifying time is faster than 1:23.5, then I am not sure we see Uwsp or Wash U in the mix.

    • #34329
      WIswimhottie
      Member

      UWSP always seems to put it together at the end. They host conference this year and you know they’ll be fired up after loosing to LaCrosse last weekend in SwimmingWorld’s meet of the week. I just don’t know if it will be enough after graduating last year’s seniors. They’re just so young right now.

    • #34330
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @swim5599 wrote:

      I could see Wash U having a shot. They will lead off 20.8 or 20.9, so that will help, but if the qualifying time is faster than 1:23.5, then I am not sure we see Uwsp or Wash U in the mix.

      I disagree completly. I don’t think that Wash U has a prayer in this relay. If Leckey does lead off in a 20.8 then maybe they get under 1:24.5 but I doubt that happens.

      In the past we talked about a school with 4 individuals at the meet with no relays. This MIGHT happen this year with Wash U.

    • #34331
      swim5599
      Member

      I was thinking it through and Don I tend to agree with you. IF it takes 1:23.5 that could knock out some teams we usually see. UWSP, Wash U, and Wheaton are going to have to really move to grab a spot

    • #34332

      @DonCheadle wrote:

      In the past we talked about a school with 4 individuals at the meet with no relays. This MIGHT happen this year with Wash U.

      I disagree. I don’t think there is any way that the 800 won’t qualify. But that may be it. The second best bet is the 4 Med, but outside of those two people are really going to have to come up with out of their mind swims.

    • #34333
      Kirk Herbstreit wrote:
      Emory – They may not qualify this relay and it doesn’t make much of a difference to them. If they want a guy like Sloan, he might have to do it on his own.

      Its very unlikely Emory wont qualify this relay. Yeah, the odds are against them- having a program that breeds IMers and tends to forget the sprinters, but last time I looked (and im sure the results haven’t changed) the Eagles put 13 guys within 4 relays, who split 22.1 or faster. 10 of those guys were 21.88 or faster. And 2 of them were flat starts. Unshaved and definitely swimming off events (Lake, Newton, Diggs in the 50?) and still put solid races. Lets take their top 4 legs in the relay (Callam, Burke, Sloan, Bobo), they pulled a 125.05. Nothing fantastic, seeing how 123 is the magic number. If you take their 200 breaststroker out (Bobo) and throw in a “real” sprinter, Inacker, that will put them in the 124 lows. Throw in a couple days rest and a fast suit, that gives them the magic 123. It will be a stretch, but do-able. Callam swims his final UAA championships and im sure something big will show up.

    • #34334
      swim5599
      Member

      Yeah I would think Emory would qualify the relay even if it was on accident. They made the championship final last year for a reason.

      Wash U’s 800 fr gets in.

    • #34335
      DonCheadle
      Member

      Locks:

      Denison
      W&L
      Hopkins
      Gustavus Adolphus
      Grove City
      DePauw

      and with Kenyon pulling a 21.15 and 20.85 flat start in prelims I wouldn’t be surprised to see them throw a 1:23 low tonight.

    • #34336

      Look out for Depauw – 20.7, 21.0, 21.4, 21.6 flat start in prelims.

    • #34337
      generalvol
      Member

      can someone explain why grove city did not put courage in the 200 free relay at night? their relay time is not even the QT from last year, and besides whitbeck and courage, they don’t even have any b cuts

    • #34338

      @generalvol wrote:

      can someone explain why grove city did not put courage in the 200 free relay at night? their relay time is not even the QT from last year, and besides whitbeck and courage, they don’t even have any b cuts

      Probably trying to get other people into the meet? They can just time trial it if they really end up needing it. Else they’ll get their guys in in the 400fr

    • #34339
      Chris Knight
      Member

      It would seem to indicate that they don’t think they can win the meet without sweeping the relays, and putting Courage on the other 4 gives them the best chance at that.

    • #34340
      swim5599
      Member

      20.2 and 20.4 from Courage and Whitbeck. WOW

    • #34341

      Event 143 Men 200 Yard Freestyle Relay Time Trial

      — DEPAUW UNIVERSITY ‘A’ NT DQ
      1) John Cook FY 2) Kyle Kerrigan FY
      3) Greg Nowak SO 4) Robert Alexander JR
      20.80 41.97 (21.17) 1:03.19 (21.22) DQ (20.44)

      From this morning.

    • #34342
      swim5599
      Member

      Man its a shame the dq’d that, they would have had a shot for sure.

    • #34343
      Chris Knight
      Member

      @swim5599 wrote:

      Man its a shame the dq’d that, they would have had a shot for sure.

      Agreed, I hope they give it another whirl in a last-chance meet if they don’t qualify the 4×100

    • #34344
      ae804
      Member

      @swim5599 wrote:

      Man its a shame the dq’d that, they would have had a shot for sure.

      They can still aggregate two of their swimmers. They had a frosh on the B relay go a 21.16 split (faster than the 21.4 split) and their leadoff went a 20.8 (i think) in the 50 free…. that’ll knock off quite a bit for them.

    • #34345

      You cant add up relay split times. You can only use 4 flat start times for an add-up relay. I dont think that would help them from the 4 best 50 times I can find.

    • #34346
      swim5599
      Member

      Yeah you can only add up flat starts.

    • #34347
      silentp
      Member

      Unlike the Medlies, the 200 FR has seen the best relays already go. This does not mean that the teams remaining don’t have a shot though. Right now, Hope sits 10th and with the east coast teams, who always surprise, all left to go, I think 1 of them sneaks in (Springfield?, Wheaton?, Williams?), so…

      I’m setting the line at 1:23.58 by the Banana Slugs.

    • #34348
      swim5599
      Member

      I think Williams has a shot to get in. I am guessing we see them in at about 1:23.4. Did anyone notice that La cross time trialed and went 1:23.1

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