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    • #12289
      maverick1
      Member

      i found a wireless connection and will post what i see……i already missed the 200 free relay and will start with the 500

    • #34697
      maverick1
      Member

      heyboer will be swimming the 500 free this morning, he’s scratched the 200im

    • #34698

      Mav,

      I was just about to ask someone if they could do this. Thanks. It helps those of us who can’t escape the rat race for the morning.

    • #34699
      maverick1
      Member

      does anybody want women’s results:

      so far all i know is stefl went 5:09.25 in the 500 and there were 4 other heats that have already gone that i dont’ really remember

    • #34700
      TheDon
      Member

      Yes, I have an interest in the women’s results. Particularly the relays today. I be there tonight and for all the remaining sessions

    • #34701
      stiles
      Member

      I love results. Keep them coming. Although, personally, I am not that intersted in the girls results.

    • #34702
      TheDon
      Member

      In addition to live results the Women’s Big Ten is having a webcast starting at 10 CST (http://www.gophersports.com/liveEvents/liveEvents.dbml?&&DB_OEM_ID=8400). Come on Maverick. If you can handle an F14 you should be able to hook up a camera too!

      Seriously. Thanks for what you are doing.

      Unless there is some NCAA rule maybe this means the Gophers can webcast D-I’s!

    • #34703
      maverick1
      Member

      men’s 500 free- new meet record Paul Krone 4:31.84

      ht 1
      Mcnabb
      O’brien-4:55.67
      Wheatley-4:46.61
      Richardson-4:49.57
      Ray4:53.60
      Busscher 4:46.86
      Arce-5:01.54

      ht 2
      Bolles-5:05.96
      Heintz4:57.25
      Kimball4:56.75
      Heyboer4:40.46
      Jaffee4:49.53
      Tuuk4:45.54
      FOx5:00.35
      Ress

      ht 3
      reznich5:10.17
      Jaffee4:54.58
      Contreras5:03.03
      Krone4:31.84
      Conrad4:51.76
      Stone4:56.10
      Livingston
      Whiting4:52.09

    • #34704
      Potsy
      Member

      Thanks for the effort Mav, but… Real Time results!

      http://www.jenisonaquatics.org/Results/

    • #34705
      silentp
      Member

      This is so wrong that i erased it and will just say, CDW doesnt’ pay me enough to actually do work before i leave today πŸ™‚

    • #34706
      silentp
      Member

      @Potsy wrote:

      Thanks for the effort Mav, but… Real Time results!

      http://www.jenisonaquatics.org/Results/

      A 500 swim off!!! Kick ass!

    • #34707
      maverick1
      Member

      thank god

    • #34708
      teemohtay
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      @Potsy wrote:

      Thanks for the effort Mav, but… Real Time results!

      http://www.jenisonaquatics.org/Results/

      A 500 swim off!!! Kick ass!

      That is nuts. I think I would settle for paper, scissors, rock.

      Also, .14 separates 6th and 7th for men, and .5 between 12th and 13th. ouch!

    • #34709
      Derek
      Member

      Not too much surprising in the 200 FR except Albion DQ?! That’s rough.

      Women’s 500 swim off sucks.

      Good luck to Heyboer in the 500. Krone will crush him.

      That men’s 200 IM should be sweet tonight.

    • #34710
      DonCheadle
      Member

      Ouch that 500 hurts for Hope. Jaffee getting Richardson by .14 in particular. It looks like people are swimming really well for all teams. 20.5 by Powers in the 50 (I am assuming he did not lead off as indicated on the results) and of course the 4:31 by Krone. I guess I was wrong and Krone did taper!

      The 50 results will be interesting. I don’t think they will be quite as fast as predicted. I bet a 21.95 makes it back.

    • #34711
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @DonCheadle wrote:

      20.5 by Powers in the 50 (I am assuming he did not lead off as indicated on the results)

      Okay maybe that was Voss?

    • #34712
      Milhouse
      Member

      Looks like Hope is going to build a big lead on Olivet after the first day with guys flooding the IM and 50. Of course, I haven’t seen diving results yet.

      21.85 made it back in the 50…I’ll give Cheadle the benefit of the doubt and say he was close.

      One more thing…HOORAY FOR LIVE RESULTS!!!

    • #34713
      stiles
      Member

      OC will probably go 2-3-4-5 in diving, figure 46 points to Hope’s 0. I’d say if Hope comes out around 10 points ahead after the day is over, they are doing pretty good.

    • #34714
      DonCheadle
      Member

      Kurti needs to win that swim-off because it will probably end up being more than a 2 point swing (my guess is who ever finishes 2nd in the swim off finished 9th tonight).

    • #34715
      silentp
      Member

      400 MR, Great swims by:
      Barrett Mueller 53 split, nice
      Kovacs 59.1 split
      Waterstone 59.4 split

      Is anyone else surprised Waterstone swam it? I’m not gonna lie, i was impressed by King’s IM and would assume that would translate to a nice breast swim. That’ll be a tough choice for them to make now.

    • #34716
      quacker
      Member

      Mav, any word on the swim-offs yet?

    • #34717
      stiles
      Member

      ress went 21.2 and beat kurti

    • #34718
      DonCheadle
      Member

      Does it count as a B cut? Anyone know?

      What did Kurti go?

    • #34719
      Derek
      Member

      @DonCheadle wrote:

      The 50 results will be interesting. I don’t think they will be quite as fast as predicted. I bet a 21.95 makes it back.

      So far off. 21.83 made it back for consols. Loser. 😈

    • #34720
      stiles
      Member

      kurti was a 21.5 and i don’t know what the exact time on ress was.

    • #34721
      DonCheadle
      Member

      Actually if any of the guys who placed in the top 12 had gone a 21.95 they would have made it back. So for 12 people my statement was 100% correct! I though Greiner, Fonzi, Powers and CVB would be faster. JBG was faster than expected, everyone else did what was expected.

    • #34722
      swim5599
      Member

      I would assume that Heyboer probably did not push that 500 to hard this morning. I could see him at 4:35 tonight, 4:31 from Krone is blazing.

    • #34723
      Milhouse
      Member

      So the guy who won the swim-off for 6th ended up going the fastest time. Does anyone dare to place bets on who wins the 50 tonight??

      Damn that dastardly diving! Today is probably Hope’s best chance to build up a lead, because they’ll likely struggle to fend off Olivet during the next two days.

      Just one quick observation…isn’t Kovacs Kzoo’s number 3 or 4 breaststroker? 59.1 would have been number 1 in years past. Nice work!

    • #34724
      Derek
      Member

      @DonCheadle wrote:

      Actually if any of the guys who placed in the top 12 had gone a 21.95 they would have made it back. So for 12 people my statement was 100% correct!

      But you predicted 21.95 which was .12 slower than the actual cut off, which is unacceptable. I always thought more of you.

      @DonCheadle wrote:

      I though Greiner, Fonzi, Powers and CVB would be faster. JBG was faster than expected, everyone else did what was expected.

      Same… I expected to see some swims down closer to 21.0, but we’ll see what happens tonight. I was really surprised by Greiner and Fonzi since they didn’t even get a second swim. I case you didn’t notice, Kalamazoo kinda has a lock on spots 15-19. Maybe as these guys get older (they are all freshmen and sophomores) and bigger they will turn into consistent top 12 guys.

    • #34725
      silentp
      Member

      I would say that after the first day of prelims,

      Olivet is swimming about where we expected with a few positive results

      Hope is swimming about where we expected with some negative and a few positive results

      K is swimming about where we expected with some negative results

      Calvin is probably having the best meet

      Albion is swimming well, but it’s hard to base off so few swimmers

    • #34726
      stiles
      Member

      As it stands right now:

      OC-174
      H-167
      C-86 (+diving)
      K-69 (+diving)

      I figured 2-5 for OC.

      Also, it was good to see Hope get people into finals. I was surprise at Voss 21.57 after splitting a 20.56 (let’s not get into the relay split vs. flat start debate). Also, powers was slow too.

      Also, what about the Kzoo medley? WIth the fastest 50 guy being a 22.07, it could be a very interesting 400 medley tonight with Hope’s sprinters sprinting well. ALso, who has the best 100? griener, dmitruk, henn?? 50’s can only tell so much in relation to the 100. Yes, I know that was an obvious statement. I am just excited that the league meet has started.

    • #34727
      silentp
      Member

      @stiles wrote:

      WIth the fastest 50 guy being a 22.07, it could be a very interesting 400 medley tonight with Hope’s sprinters sprinting well. ALso, who has the best 100? griener, dmitruk, henn?? 50’s can only tell so much in relation to the 100. Yes, I know that was an obvious statement. I am just excited that the league meet has started.

      I assume by interesting you mean as to who they choose to anchor the winning relay? You can’t honestly tell me anyone will be at the flags yet when Kzoo finishes.

    • #34728
      kzoo2006
      Member

      what about the girls results, what do you think were the stand-out swims?

    • #34729
      T-Bone
      Member

      I got ther just in time to see both Phil’s and Krone’s swims. Phil looked solid, probably had a little too much left a the end. Krone’s swim was typical for him – he went out so strong that everyone thought he would die, but he kept it together. Looked great, I don’t know how he could possibly be any faster at night. Should be a great race tonight.

      That being said… I think I remember that there was the same conversation here at the same time last year about Krone and Gardner but Krone came back even stronger at night (correct me if I’m wrong, I have a horrible memory about this stuff). I really think Phil will have more tonight, but Krone just seems like a difficult distance guy to swim against because you’re fighting from behind the whole way and he just keeps pouring it on…

      Arce, you were the distance expert representing the alumni spectators at the meet… what do you think?

    • #34730
      T-Bone
      Member

      @kzoo2006 wrote:

      what about the girls results, what do you think were the stand-out swims?

      One thing that stood out to me is that the girls 200 IM tonight (consols and championships) will have all Hope and Calvin girls, except a loan representative from Albion.

    • #34731
      Low Tide
      Member

      I was disappointed with K sprinting (asides from Ellis). I’m guessing Greiner will definitely be the anchor on the 200 MR and I really hope he has a 20. split in him.

      Is Contreras sick? I think he was swimming faster in-season. Too bad, because he had the ability to factor in a lot of points for K.

      It is clear Krone should transfer to Kzoo.

      If Hope wins, I get to get rid of this ridiculous avatar!

    • #34732
      DonCheadle
      Member

      In my predicted results I had Hope ahead of Kzoo by 86 after tonight. The relays will be a wash. Looks like Hope is doing a little better than I expected while Kzoo is doing how I expected.

      Not sure what you mean by the 400 medley Stiles. Look, you have the better team, bank on that. We bank on kicking everyone’s ass in the medlies. Fair enough!

    • #34733

      — Osterbur, Lucas SO Hope-MI 22.32 X21.99
      — Glas, Abe SR Hope-MI 22.67 X22.41
      — Welsch, Aaron FR Hope-MI 22.35 X22.42
      — Greer, Aaron FR Hope-MI 22.57 X22.43
      — Herrman, Ben SO Hope-MI 23.02 X22.80
      — Hinkle, Nick JR Hope-MI 22.87 X22.83
      — Akers, Thomas SO Hope-MI 23.11 X23.02
      — Harte, Matt SR Kzoo-MI 23.93 X23.46
      — Tozer, Cody FR Hope-MI 23.82 X23.53
      — Smith, Matt FR Hope-MI 24.09 X23.64
      — Lindow, Ron SR Hope-MI 23.25 X23.87

      This cracks me up.

    • #34734
      facenorth
      Member

      Someone asked earlier about Resseguie’s swim off, unfortunately he was 21.26. The ‘B’ cut is 21.25. Hopefully he and a number of others eclipse that mark tonight.

    • #34735
      stiles
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      @stiles wrote:

      WIth the fastest 50 guy being a 22.07, it could be a very interesting 400 medley tonight with Hope’s sprinters sprinting well. ALso, who has the best 100? griener, dmitruk, henn?? 50’s can only tell so much in relation to the 100. Yes, I know that was an obvious statement. I am just excited that the league meet has started.

      I assume by interesting you mean as to who they choose to anchor the winning relay? You can’t honestly tell me anyone will be at the flags yet when Kzoo finishes.

      **sniff sniff** Smells like a challenge! Since making donations to D3seems to be the thing to do, how about you translate “nobody inside the flags when K finishes” to abotu 2.5 seconds and we can possibly move forward with something along the lines of $10 toward d3swimming.

      I jsut don’t think Ellis is that good and K’s sprint facotry has been less than impressive. Yes, I am trying goad you in. Hehe. I love the league meet.

      Thoughts?

    • #34736
      SwexasTim
      Member

      Ok, I just want to quick log in and say one thing, don’t know if this was mentioned yet, mitch ruch from hope went 53.9 on the front of that medley this morning. That was unshaved, though I don’t think that will come too much into play, look out for him to have a great time. Obviously he won’t beat ellis, but i think he deserves some recognition, especially when I think he will go 52 high 53 low.

      A major contributer for hope who might go unnoticed, thought y’all should know, though I am sure you all already have the situation well in hand….

    • #34737
      Milhouse
      Member

      @Captain Insano wrote:

      — Osterbur, Lucas SO Hope-MI 22.32 X21.99
      — Glas, Abe SR Hope-MI 22.67 X22.41
      — Welsch, Aaron FR Hope-MI 22.35 X22.42
      — Greer, Aaron FR Hope-MI 22.57 X22.43
      — Herrman, Ben SO Hope-MI 23.02 X22.80
      — Hinkle, Nick JR Hope-MI 22.87 X22.83
      — Akers, Thomas SO Hope-MI 23.11 X23.02
      — Harte, Matt SR Kzoo-MI 23.93 X23.46
      — Tozer, Cody FR Hope-MI 23.82 X23.53
      — Smith, Matt FR Hope-MI 24.09 X23.64
      — Lindow, Ron SR Hope-MI 23.25 X23.87

      This cracks me up.

      I know! When was the last time Kzoo had someone swimming exhibition?

      And to throw some praise toward the ladies….Calvin’s 200 free relay? They beat the Alma men (who got DQ’d anyway). Yikes!!

    • #34738
      maverick1
      Member

      a little bit from the meet:

      200free relay-great race, came down to the anchor and hope took it…..tuuk did have an admirable split but it wasn’t enough to hold of holton. neither time will make it to the dance, we’ll see what each team chooses to do in the next two days.

      500free-krone demolished this one and heyboer tried going with him and looked like he was in a lot of pain at the end. he probably could have been 3-4 seconds faster swimming his own race, but you can’t knock a guy too much for going for the win.

      200im-dekker lit it up, as did nelis. this was a damn fun race to watch, nelis was out fast, dekker hit the 50 first, then nelis at the end of back, then dekker after breast and both split well under 27 on the way home. i think nelis will be close to getting in with his time and i think he deserves it, it was a hell of a swim.

    • #34739
      maverick1
      Member

      and the 50 free: what a ridiculous race. ress did have a nice win here, but the rest was so damn close that we couldn’t tell who finished where. ellis was behind, as well as holton off the start. ress did split a 20.96 on leadoff on the 200free relay, so he’s got a good shot at nats

    • #34740
      SwexasTim
      Member

      Few things I have to ask, no attacks just some questions, answers will be appreciated, answers without anger will be even more appreciated….

      1) Cheadle, how does this fair against your day one?

      2) Kzoo’s banner…where’s calvin and alma on the picture?

      3) I’m sure the K guys expected it, but I did not expect dekker’s im to be that fast, I guess not really a question just a note of praise.

      4) As to my earlier post, I ate my words on ellis, again not a question

      5) What was with the K repeat chant after dekker’s win, I thought this was a little below their standard of sportsmanship, to me (being a hope guy) this was a burn on waterstone (not taking away from dekkers swim at all i repect the repeat) and kind of stupid to chant b/c heyboer swam the 500

      6) Calvin sprinters swimming crazy fast, and that goes double for girls, though I do want to give a bit of praise for CVZ holding off becky wiema as long as she did, in fact losing the lead and then taking it back

      7) Krone is an animal, really 143 in his out of the 500, thanks for the memories MIAA 07 mvp?

      8) Good showing by K and Hope alumni, perhaps some posturing for saturday?

      9) I have to know… what is with the owl?

    • #34741
      T-Bone
      Member

      Did anyone else notice before diving awards when the announcer (by the way – nice job Matt and Dan) asked once again for people not to sit on the awards podium? The Olivet guys just sat there and looked over at him almost arrogantly while giggling with each other.

      “You stay classy, San Diego!”

    • #34742
      Low Tide
      Member

      I am really impressed with the youth movement of both Hope and Kzoo:

      200 FR — Hope had three underclassman and a senior almost break the MIAA record. Kzoo was swimming all freshman.

      400 MR — Hope swims all freshman and Kzoo smashes the varsity record with 3 freshman and 1 sophomore.

      The depth of Olivet right now comes from juniors and seniors. This tells me within one year, two years tops, K and Hope should be at the top again — right where the league should be.

    • #34743
      swim5599
      Member

      How about the Anchor from Rose 45.1, that is cruising.

    • #34744
      silentp
      Member

      @SwexasTim wrote:

      5) What was with the K repeat chant after dekker’s win, I thought this was a little below their standard of sportsmanship, to me (being a hope guy) this was a burn on waterstone (not taking away from dekkers swim at all i repect the repeat) and kind of stupid to chant b/c heyboer swam the 500?

      Why does Heyboer matter? Did you miss his 500 time? Even his 100 back was an add. I will not say the cheer was classy, but come on, using the heyboer thing… even more classless and not true

    • #34745
      DonCheadle
      Member

      Dekker and Heyboer (And heck nelis swam great too) will be a great race next year in the 200 IM.

      I love the fact that I am disappointed with Fonzi’s 56.3 split.

      The youth movement is impressive. Improving .5 seconds per swimmer total in 3 years is not that much which would put Kzoo’s 200 Free Relay at 1:23 low. I hear we are getting a good srpinter anyhow, so maybe next year they pop off that 1:23.

      What is Calvin’s best free relay?

    • #34746
      Milhouse
      Member

      @Low Tide wrote:

      400 MR — Hope swims all freshman and Kzoo smashes the varsity record with 3 freshman and 1 sophomore.

      An 11-year old varsity record goes by the wayside. FINALLY, we can take that jerk Aaron Portenga off the record board!!!

      You’re next, Miller 😈

    • #34747
      Low Tide
      Member

      This is serious need for concern for us old guys.

      Miller’s 200 breast is probably safe this year, but maybe not for long. Same goes for Latham’s 200 back. With Dekker swimming a 52 low in season and Ellis coming in at a 50. in the fly, maybe a 48 in a couple years is not unatainable. I wonder what Dekker has in him for a 200 fly?

    • #34748
      Monkey Boy
      Member

      Hmmm… could we see Heyboer without a ticket to nationals?

    • #34749
      DonCheadle
      Member

      As it stands RIGHT NOW, I don’t think Heyboer would make Nats. But he will probably pull off a nice 200 back and eliminate this doubt.

      (and know I have not forgotten aboutthe 4:05.8 in the 400 IM).

    • #34750
      Low Tide
      Member

      I was hoping to see some big swims out of Fenwick.

    • #34751
      Milhouse
      Member

      4:19 IS a big swim out of Fenwick…he was 4:21 a couple years ago, and went abroad last year. The poor kid just can’t seem to break that minute barrier in the 100 breast. I say he breaks thru tonight, and gets elected to the House of Representatives in ’08.

    • #34752

      Nevermind.

    • #34753
      DonCheadle
      Member

      Big swim by Nelis: 50.76. THis was his ticket to the meet because Hope is not bringing a meley. Way to go man!

    • #34754
      T-Bone
      Member

      Fly times were pretty quick this morning. One notable/surprising observation: Koji and Meisner were both left out of finals.

      Also – 3 guys under 1:00 for K in the breast and there could be a 4th (Fenwick) tonight. Nice.

    • #34755
      Low Tide
      Member

      could we see Heyboer without a ticket to nationals?

      I do not think his swims from mid-season will be good enough. Ellis could really push him in the 200 back and perhaps that will help him improve his time.

      Does anyone have a case for Krone not being the MVP at this point?

    • #34756
      SwexasTim
      Member

      silentp, you’re right about heyboer, I do think going out with krone probably ruined the poor kid for the rest of the night, however after I posted I was lying in bed thinking that though we had talked like heyboer would be a favorite, who says he was going to beat dekker’s 153. Unfortunately I was way to lazy to get out of bed to edit my post, and obviously i have been busy until now.

      Anyway, Iwish cheadle would let us know how are things are shaping up to his master plan, yes I scored it out, but I have no confidence in my college swimming knowledge.

      As to the rest of my previous post, I really am not knocking it at all, I love when we would rally around ridiculous or surprising things, I just want to know whats up with the owl? What does it mean? all that aside not knowing anything about it, its growing on me, i think I like the little guy.

      Also, cheadle, everyone dropping .5 in one year is a decent amount in the 50, by all means it is possible, but its not a given. Calvins best 200 fr will depend on if A-Res comes back. unless someone else comes in I would say, jbg, res, vanalls, herema. If res doesn’t come back they need a legit sprinter to come in.

    • #34757
      Milhouse
      Member

      @Low Tide wrote:

      Does anyone have a case for Krone not being the MVP at this point?

      It’s pretty much a foregone conclusion that he’ll win the 1650, but I say he has to win the 200 tonight to wrap it up. If Krone can’t take the 200, and IF Dekker eeks out a win in the fly tonight AND wins the 200 fly tomorrow, you can make a case for him as the only three-event winner…AS LONG AS there aren’t any others. Which would be quite the coup considering how much talent there is in the league right now.

    • #34758
      T-Bone
      Member

      @Low Tide wrote:

      could we see Heyboer without a ticket to nationals?

      I do not think his swims from mid-season will be good enough. Ellis could really push him in the 200 back and perhaps that will help him improve his time.

      I’m so glad we have Ellis, so that Heyboer can make it to nationals. Hooray! πŸ˜‰

    • #34759
      SwexasTim
      Member

      if ellis can win the 2 back i think he will be in the running, however, even if dekker wins 3 events it will be close with him and krone. If krone sets another record i don’t know how he can not get it.

    • #34760
      DonCheadle
      Member

      Swexes, I was saying that Kzoo’s guys would drop .5 in 3 years IN TOTAL. Not .5 per year. IE the Freshmen that went 1:25.2 put together a 1:23.2 in 3 years.

      As I have scored it out: Last night Hope’s lead was 3 pts less than I predicted. This is because I did not have Boom’s in the 200 IM, Hope’s sprinters did a little less than I predicted, Fonzi did not score in the 50 and I had King 11th in the IM (well that didn’t help my cause, but I am telling you what I got wrong).

      This morning I had Booms 4th in the 4 IM (which obviously wasn’t going to happen), but overall the points will be very close to what I predicted ( I had Kzoo scoring 1 pt in the 200) Because we are talking about such small margins it will probably be quite significant if Nelis wins the fly (6 pt swing because I predicted Dekker). At this point I put Nelis as the favorite.

      Olivet is way off what I predicted accept Nate Buscher. He is single handedly keeping Olivet on track with my predictions. The meet may come down to the last relay. Also the stakes (we outght not outright refer to them ) will probably come down to the last relay.

    • #34761
      Low Tide
      Member

      Hey, it helps to have someone pushing you… as opposed to simply trying to ‘keep up’ with Krone and not swimming a strategically sound race, Ellis (probably more Heyboer’s speed than Krone) in the 200 bk could be the impetus to get him going.

      As much as I would love to see Dekker get it, I think Krone pretty much has it in the bag. Even if he does not win the 200 free (and I have trouble seeing him not winning it), he will most likely have set 2 MIAA records before this meet is through. Dekker’s best chance for an MIAA record is probably tonight in the 200 IM (and I do not think he will, but it would be great).

      Two MIAA records and another top 2 or 3 performance should beat a 3-event winner every time. Not much of a debate in my mind.

      Where the debate comes is, let’s say we take out Krone and now you have to compare Dekker to Ellis.

    • #34762

      @Low Tide wrote:

      Even if he does not win the 200 free (and I have trouble seeing him not winning it)

      I still think he is a big underdog in the 2 free. He did the same thing last year. Everybody saw his 500 and said he would win the 200 and I don’t think he cracked the top 4. Can’t recall what his time was but it was pretty close to his first 200 split of his 500. Chaz or Tuuk will go a 1:41 and I don’t know if Krone has enough top-end to beat that.

      thus far, I am only good at predicting what won’t happen. It’s a lot easier that way.

    • #34763
      Low Tide
      Member

      Not so sure too many thought he would beat you… and there is a big difference between a 4:35 and a 4:31. I’d put money on Krone tonight.

    • #34764
      SwexasTim
      Member

      cheadle, sorry for the confusion about the 2 FR, that makes sense to me now, thanks for the clarification.

      ok, mvp w/out krone. You have to put heyboer in the mix, especially if dekker doesn’t win 3, we say 2, and heyboer should have 2 wins as opposed to ellis’ 1 win. Even if dekker wins 3 i still give it to ellis for two reasons:

      1) MIAA record

      2) agree with it or not how they will do at nats will come into play, and ellis will dominate dekker at nats.

      Now I scored today out as is, correct me if i am wrong, but I have….

      Olivet 370
      Hope 354
      Kzoo 264
      Cal 217

      that is with same diving results as yesterday and the 8 free going Hope – Olivet – Calvin – Kzoo obviously we don’t know if this is right, but if I am wrong there let me know. Who is on it for K? I think calvin goes res, jbg, conrad, vanalls?

      So there’s that, and as is, hope would be beating K by 90. But obviously K loves 200 strokes and Hope hates them (hey tradition is tradition). Boy 78.5 is a great line, y’all can get in line to give me my props.

    • #34765
      Low Tide
      Member

      Interesting to me: Krone and Meisner, with this influx of youth, are the only two who have a good shot at defending their event titles from last year.

      EDIT — Oops, I missed that Dekker was a repeat champ in the 200 IM.

    • #34766
      DonCheadle
      Member

      This is what I had for individual events through today:

      Ignore the 2nd collumn, collumn 3 is the event # and collumn 4 is the points for that event. Summarizing I had Kzoo down 74 individually after tonight plus another 8 points for relays for a total of Kzoo down by 82 after tonight.

      Hope 33 2 23
      Hope 60 3 43
      Hope 84 4 44
      Hope 8 8 23
      Hope 48 9 28
      Hope 101 10 37
      Hope 24 11 17
      Hope 14 12 29
      Hope Total: 244
      Kalamazoo 58 2 1
      Kalamazoo 40 3 17
      Kalamazoo 65 4 18
      Kalamazoo 21 8 37
      Kalamazoo 45 9 27
      Kalamazoo 10 10 3
      Kalamazoo 16 11 45
      Kalamazoo 1 12 16
      Kalamazoo Diving 6
      Kalamazoo Total: 170

      Swexes: If you scored out tonight correctly then I would be -8.5 at this point. To “win” I need +2 (plusses good for Kzoo, minuses good for Hope).

      If all this confuses you, just know that based on my preditions plus what we already know, Hope now beats kzoo by 86.5 pts (with my original prediction being 80).

    • #34767
      swim5599
      Member

      What was with the scratch out of Ellis in the 100 fly this morning?

    • #34768
      stiles
      Member

      Swexas,

      Tuuk instead of KVA on Cal’s 8 free. Tuuker will sit the 2 med I would think.

    • #34769
      Low Tide
      Member

      What was with the scratch out of Ellis in the 100 fly this morning?

      Swimming the 200 back.

    • #34770
      Low Tide
      Member

      Ellis definitely has to enter in the MVP discussion now. I honestly was not expecting him to have such a strong 200 back — great swim!

      Two MIAA records vs. Krone’s one.
      Krone has three wins, but Ellis is arguably much more valuable.

    • #34771
      Mickey Mouse
      Member

      3 records if you include the 200 MR.

      This goes back to the old Boss argument that Ellis was on 2 stud relays that wouldn’t have been the same without him.

      I always supported Boss receiving MVP and I think Ellis should receive it because, to his team’s points, he has been FAR more valuable than Krone.

    • #34772
      Derek
      Member

      @Low Tide wrote:

      Krone has three wins, but Ellis is arguably much more valuable.

      Yes. I think Ellis is more valuable, but since these things are decided by the coaches, there is an element of sentiment in this vote. Krone is from Albion and is a distance swimmer. So few people from Albion have ever won and so few distance swimmers have ever won MVP that if it comes down to Ellis vs. Krone, Krone wins. But, Ellis did earn more points.

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