bits and pieces of results

Mav,

I was just about to ask someone if they could do this. Thanks. It helps those of us who can’t escape the rat race for the morning.

Yes, I have an interest in the women’s results. Particularly the relays today. I be there tonight and for all the remaining sessions

I love results. Keep them coming. Although, personally, I am not that intersted in the girls results.

In addition to live results the Women’s Big Ten is having a webcast starting at 10 CST (http://www.gophersports.com/liveEvents/liveEvents.dbml?&&DB_OEM_ID=8400). Come on Maverick. If you can handle an F14 you should be able to hook up a camera too!

Seriously. Thanks for what you are doing.

Unless there is some NCAA rule maybe this means the Gophers can webcast D-I’s!

Thanks for the effort Mav, but… Real Time results!

http://www.jenisonaquatics.org/Results/

This is so wrong that i erased it and will just say, CDW doesnt’ pay me enough to actually do work before i leave today 🙂

@Potsy wrote:

Thanks for the effort Mav, but… Real Time results!

http://www.jenisonaquatics.org/Results/

A 500 swim off!!! Kick ass!

@silentp wrote:

@Potsy wrote:

Thanks for the effort Mav, but… Real Time results!

http://www.jenisonaquatics.org/Results/

A 500 swim off!!! Kick ass!

That is nuts. I think I would settle for paper, scissors, rock.

Also, .14 separates 6th and 7th for men, and .5 between 12th and 13th. ouch!

Not too much surprising in the 200 FR except Albion DQ?! That’s rough.

Women’s 500 swim off sucks.

Good luck to Heyboer in the 500. Krone will crush him.

That men’s 200 IM should be sweet tonight.

Ouch that 500 hurts for Hope. Jaffee getting Richardson by .14 in particular. It looks like people are swimming really well for all teams. 20.5 by Powers in the 50 (I am assuming he did not lead off as indicated on the results) and of course the 4:31 by Krone. I guess I was wrong and Krone did taper!

The 50 results will be interesting. I don’t think they will be quite as fast as predicted. I bet a 21.95 makes it back.

@DonCheadle wrote:

20.5 by Powers in the 50 (I am assuming he did not lead off as indicated on the results)

Okay maybe that was Voss?

Looks like Hope is going to build a big lead on Olivet after the first day with guys flooding the IM and 50. Of course, I haven’t seen diving results yet.

21.85 made it back in the 50…I’ll give Cheadle the benefit of the doubt and say he was close.

One more thing…HOORAY FOR LIVE RESULTS!!!

OC will probably go 2-3-4-5 in diving, figure 46 points to Hope’s 0. I’d say if Hope comes out around 10 points ahead after the day is over, they are doing pretty good.

Kurti needs to win that swim-off because it will probably end up being more than a 2 point swing (my guess is who ever finishes 2nd in the swim off finished 9th tonight).

400 MR, Great swims by:
Barrett Mueller 53 split, nice
Kovacs 59.1 split
Waterstone 59.4 split

Is anyone else surprised Waterstone swam it? I’m not gonna lie, i was impressed by King’s IM and would assume that would translate to a nice breast swim. That’ll be a tough choice for them to make now.

Mav, any word on the swim-offs yet?

ress went 21.2 and beat kurti

Does it count as a B cut? Anyone know?

What did Kurti go?

@DonCheadle wrote:

The 50 results will be interesting. I don’t think they will be quite as fast as predicted. I bet a 21.95 makes it back.

So far off. 21.83 made it back for consols. Loser. 😈

kurti was a 21.5 and i don’t know what the exact time on ress was.

Actually if any of the guys who placed in the top 12 had gone a 21.95 they would have made it back. So for 12 people my statement was 100% correct! I though Greiner, Fonzi, Powers and CVB would be faster. JBG was faster than expected, everyone else did what was expected.

I would assume that Heyboer probably did not push that 500 to hard this morning. I could see him at 4:35 tonight, 4:31 from Krone is blazing.

So the guy who won the swim-off for 6th ended up going the fastest time. Does anyone dare to place bets on who wins the 50 tonight??

Damn that dastardly diving! Today is probably Hope’s best chance to build up a lead, because they’ll likely struggle to fend off Olivet during the next two days.

Just one quick observation…isn’t Kovacs Kzoo’s number 3 or 4 breaststroker? 59.1 would have been number 1 in years past. Nice work!

@DonCheadle wrote:

Actually if any of the guys who placed in the top 12 had gone a 21.95 they would have made it back. So for 12 people my statement was 100% correct!

But you predicted 21.95 which was .12 slower than the actual cut off, which is unacceptable. I always thought more of you.

@DonCheadle wrote:

I though Greiner, Fonzi, Powers and CVB would be faster. JBG was faster than expected, everyone else did what was expected.

Same… I expected to see some swims down closer to 21.0, but we’ll see what happens tonight. I was really surprised by Greiner and Fonzi since they didn’t even get a second swim. I case you didn’t notice, Kalamazoo kinda has a lock on spots 15-19. Maybe as these guys get older (they are all freshmen and sophomores) and bigger they will turn into consistent top 12 guys.

I would say that after the first day of prelims,

Olivet is swimming about where we expected with a few positive results

Hope is swimming about where we expected with some negative and a few positive results

K is swimming about where we expected with some negative results

Calvin is probably having the best meet

Albion is swimming well, but it’s hard to base off so few swimmers

As it stands right now:

OC-174
H-167
C-86 (+diving)
K-69 (+diving)

I figured 2-5 for OC.

Also, it was good to see Hope get people into finals. I was surprise at Voss 21.57 after splitting a 20.56 (let’s not get into the relay split vs. flat start debate). Also, powers was slow too.

Also, what about the Kzoo medley? WIth the fastest 50 guy being a 22.07, it could be a very interesting 400 medley tonight with Hope’s sprinters sprinting well. ALso, who has the best 100? griener, dmitruk, henn?? 50’s can only tell so much in relation to the 100. Yes, I know that was an obvious statement. I am just excited that the league meet has started.

@stiles wrote:

WIth the fastest 50 guy being a 22.07, it could be a very interesting 400 medley tonight with Hope’s sprinters sprinting well. ALso, who has the best 100? griener, dmitruk, henn?? 50’s can only tell so much in relation to the 100. Yes, I know that was an obvious statement. I am just excited that the league meet has started.

I assume by interesting you mean as to who they choose to anchor the winning relay? You can’t honestly tell me anyone will be at the flags yet when Kzoo finishes.

what about the girls results, what do you think were the stand-out swims?

I got ther just in time to see both Phil’s and Krone’s swims. Phil looked solid, probably had a little too much left a the end. Krone’s swim was typical for him – he went out so strong that everyone thought he would die, but he kept it together. Looked great, I don’t know how he could possibly be any faster at night. Should be a great race tonight.

That being said… I think I remember that there was the same conversation here at the same time last year about Krone and Gardner but Krone came back even stronger at night (correct me if I’m wrong, I have a horrible memory about this stuff). I really think Phil will have more tonight, but Krone just seems like a difficult distance guy to swim against because you’re fighting from behind the whole way and he just keeps pouring it on…

Arce, you were the distance expert representing the alumni spectators at the meet… what do you think?

@kzoo2006 wrote:

what about the girls results, what do you think were the stand-out swims?

One thing that stood out to me is that the girls 200 IM tonight (consols and championships) will have all Hope and Calvin girls, except a loan representative from Albion.

I was disappointed with K sprinting (asides from Ellis). I’m guessing Greiner will definitely be the anchor on the 200 MR and I really hope he has a 20. split in him.

Is Contreras sick? I think he was swimming faster in-season. Too bad, because he had the ability to factor in a lot of points for K.

It is clear Krone should transfer to Kzoo.

If Hope wins, I get to get rid of this ridiculous avatar!

In my predicted results I had Hope ahead of Kzoo by 86 after tonight. The relays will be a wash. Looks like Hope is doing a little better than I expected while Kzoo is doing how I expected.

Not sure what you mean by the 400 medley Stiles. Look, you have the better team, bank on that. We bank on kicking everyone’s ass in the medlies. Fair enough!

— Osterbur, Lucas SO Hope-MI 22.32 X21.99
— Glas, Abe SR Hope-MI 22.67 X22.41
— Welsch, Aaron FR Hope-MI 22.35 X22.42
— Greer, Aaron FR Hope-MI 22.57 X22.43
— Herrman, Ben SO Hope-MI 23.02 X22.80
— Hinkle, Nick JR Hope-MI 22.87 X22.83
— Akers, Thomas SO Hope-MI 23.11 X23.02
— Harte, Matt SR Kzoo-MI 23.93 X23.46
— Tozer, Cody FR Hope-MI 23.82 X23.53
— Smith, Matt FR Hope-MI 24.09 X23.64
— Lindow, Ron SR Hope-MI 23.25 X23.87

This cracks me up.

Someone asked earlier about Resseguie’s swim off, unfortunately he was 21.26. The ‘B’ cut is 21.25. Hopefully he and a number of others eclipse that mark tonight.

@silentp wrote:

@stiles wrote:

WIth the fastest 50 guy being a 22.07, it could be a very interesting 400 medley tonight with Hope’s sprinters sprinting well. ALso, who has the best 100? griener, dmitruk, henn?? 50’s can only tell so much in relation to the 100. Yes, I know that was an obvious statement. I am just excited that the league meet has started.

I assume by interesting you mean as to who they choose to anchor the winning relay? You can’t honestly tell me anyone will be at the flags yet when Kzoo finishes.

**sniff sniff** Smells like a challenge! Since making donations to D3seems to be the thing to do, how about you translate “nobody inside the flags when K finishes” to abotu 2.5 seconds and we can possibly move forward with something along the lines of $10 toward d3swimming.

I jsut don’t think Ellis is that good and K’s sprint facotry has been less than impressive. Yes, I am trying goad you in. Hehe. I love the league meet.

Thoughts?

Ok, I just want to quick log in and say one thing, don’t know if this was mentioned yet, mitch ruch from hope went 53.9 on the front of that medley this morning. That was unshaved, though I don’t think that will come too much into play, look out for him to have a great time. Obviously he won’t beat ellis, but i think he deserves some recognition, especially when I think he will go 52 high 53 low.

A major contributer for hope who might go unnoticed, thought y’all should know, though I am sure you all already have the situation well in hand….

@Captain Insano wrote:

— Osterbur, Lucas SO Hope-MI 22.32 X21.99
— Glas, Abe SR Hope-MI 22.67 X22.41
— Welsch, Aaron FR Hope-MI 22.35 X22.42
— Greer, Aaron FR Hope-MI 22.57 X22.43
— Herrman, Ben SO Hope-MI 23.02 X22.80
— Hinkle, Nick JR Hope-MI 22.87 X22.83
— Akers, Thomas SO Hope-MI 23.11 X23.02
— Harte, Matt SR Kzoo-MI 23.93 X23.46
— Tozer, Cody FR Hope-MI 23.82 X23.53
— Smith, Matt FR Hope-MI 24.09 X23.64
— Lindow, Ron SR Hope-MI 23.25 X23.87

This cracks me up.

I know! When was the last time Kzoo had someone swimming exhibition?

And to throw some praise toward the ladies….Calvin’s 200 free relay? They beat the Alma men (who got DQ’d anyway). Yikes!!

Few things I have to ask, no attacks just some questions, answers will be appreciated, answers without anger will be even more appreciated….

1) Cheadle, how does this fair against your day one?

2) Kzoo’s banner…where’s calvin and alma on the picture?

3) I’m sure the K guys expected it, but I did not expect dekker’s im to be that fast, I guess not really a question just a note of praise.

4) As to my earlier post, I ate my words on ellis, again not a question

5) What was with the K repeat chant after dekker’s win, I thought this was a little below their standard of sportsmanship, to me (being a hope guy) this was a burn on waterstone (not taking away from dekkers swim at all i repect the repeat) and kind of stupid to chant b/c heyboer swam the 500

6) Calvin sprinters swimming crazy fast, and that goes double for girls, though I do want to give a bit of praise for CVZ holding off becky wiema as long as she did, in fact losing the lead and then taking it back

7) Krone is an animal, really 143 in his out of the 500, thanks for the memories MIAA 07 mvp?

8) Good showing by K and Hope alumni, perhaps some posturing for saturday?

9) I have to know… what is with the owl?

Did anyone else notice before diving awards when the announcer (by the way – nice job Matt and Dan) asked once again for people not to sit on the awards podium? The Olivet guys just sat there and looked over at him almost arrogantly while giggling with each other.

“You stay classy, San Diego!”

I am really impressed with the youth movement of both Hope and Kzoo:

200 FR — Hope had three underclassman and a senior almost break the MIAA record. Kzoo was swimming all freshman.

400 MR — Hope swims all freshman and Kzoo smashes the varsity record with 3 freshman and 1 sophomore.

The depth of Olivet right now comes from juniors and seniors. This tells me within one year, two years tops, K and Hope should be at the top again — right where the league should be.

How about the Anchor from Rose 45.1, that is cruising.

@SwexasTim wrote:

5) What was with the K repeat chant after dekker’s win, I thought this was a little below their standard of sportsmanship, to me (being a hope guy) this was a burn on waterstone (not taking away from dekkers swim at all i repect the repeat) and kind of stupid to chant b/c heyboer swam the 500?

Why does Heyboer matter? Did you miss his 500 time? Even his 100 back was an add. I will not say the cheer was classy, but come on, using the heyboer thing… even more classless and not true

Dekker and Heyboer (And heck nelis swam great too) will be a great race next year in the 200 IM.

I love the fact that I am disappointed with Fonzi’s 56.3 split.

The youth movement is impressive. Improving .5 seconds per swimmer total in 3 years is not that much which would put Kzoo’s 200 Free Relay at 1:23 low. I hear we are getting a good srpinter anyhow, so maybe next year they pop off that 1:23.

What is Calvin’s best free relay?

@Low Tide wrote:

400 MR — Hope swims all freshman and Kzoo smashes the varsity record with 3 freshman and 1 sophomore.

An 11-year old varsity record goes by the wayside. FINALLY, we can take that jerk Aaron Portenga off the record board!!!

You’re next, Miller 😈

This is serious need for concern for us old guys.

Miller’s 200 breast is probably safe this year, but maybe not for long. Same goes for Latham’s 200 back. With Dekker swimming a 52 low in season and Ellis coming in at a 50. in the fly, maybe a 48 in a couple years is not unatainable. I wonder what Dekker has in him for a 200 fly?

Hmmm… could we see Heyboer without a ticket to nationals?

As it stands RIGHT NOW, I don’t think Heyboer would make Nats. But he will probably pull off a nice 200 back and eliminate this doubt.

(and know I have not forgotten aboutthe 4:05.8 in the 400 IM).

I was hoping to see some big swims out of Fenwick.

4:19 IS a big swim out of Fenwick…he was 4:21 a couple years ago, and went abroad last year. The poor kid just can’t seem to break that minute barrier in the 100 breast. I say he breaks thru tonight, and gets elected to the House of Representatives in ’08.

Nevermind.

Big swim by Nelis: 50.76. THis was his ticket to the meet because Hope is not bringing a meley. Way to go man!

Fly times were pretty quick this morning. One notable/surprising observation: Koji and Meisner were both left out of finals.

Also – 3 guys under 1:00 for K in the breast and there could be a 4th (Fenwick) tonight. Nice.

could we see Heyboer without a ticket to nationals?

I do not think his swims from mid-season will be good enough. Ellis could really push him in the 200 back and perhaps that will help him improve his time.

Does anyone have a case for Krone not being the MVP at this point?

silentp, you’re right about heyboer, I do think going out with krone probably ruined the poor kid for the rest of the night, however after I posted I was lying in bed thinking that though we had talked like heyboer would be a favorite, who says he was going to beat dekker’s 153. Unfortunately I was way to lazy to get out of bed to edit my post, and obviously i have been busy until now.

Anyway, Iwish cheadle would let us know how are things are shaping up to his master plan, yes I scored it out, but I have no confidence in my college swimming knowledge.

As to the rest of my previous post, I really am not knocking it at all, I love when we would rally around ridiculous or surprising things, I just want to know whats up with the owl? What does it mean? all that aside not knowing anything about it, its growing on me, i think I like the little guy.

Also, cheadle, everyone dropping .5 in one year is a decent amount in the 50, by all means it is possible, but its not a given. Calvins best 200 fr will depend on if A-Res comes back. unless someone else comes in I would say, jbg, res, vanalls, herema. If res doesn’t come back they need a legit sprinter to come in.

@Low Tide wrote:

Does anyone have a case for Krone not being the MVP at this point?

It’s pretty much a foregone conclusion that he’ll win the 1650, but I say he has to win the 200 tonight to wrap it up. If Krone can’t take the 200, and IF Dekker eeks out a win in the fly tonight AND wins the 200 fly tomorrow, you can make a case for him as the only three-event winner…AS LONG AS there aren’t any others. Which would be quite the coup considering how much talent there is in the league right now.

@Low Tide wrote:

could we see Heyboer without a ticket to nationals?

I do not think his swims from mid-season will be good enough. Ellis could really push him in the 200 back and perhaps that will help him improve his time.

I’m so glad we have Ellis, so that Heyboer can make it to nationals. Hooray! 😉

if ellis can win the 2 back i think he will be in the running, however, even if dekker wins 3 events it will be close with him and krone. If krone sets another record i don’t know how he can not get it.

Swexes, I was saying that Kzoo’s guys would drop .5 in 3 years IN TOTAL. Not .5 per year. IE the Freshmen that went 1:25.2 put together a 1:23.2 in 3 years.

As I have scored it out: Last night Hope’s lead was 3 pts less than I predicted. This is because I did not have Boom’s in the 200 IM, Hope’s sprinters did a little less than I predicted, Fonzi did not score in the 50 and I had King 11th in the IM (well that didn’t help my cause, but I am telling you what I got wrong).

This morning I had Booms 4th in the 4 IM (which obviously wasn’t going to happen), but overall the points will be very close to what I predicted ( I had Kzoo scoring 1 pt in the 200) Because we are talking about such small margins it will probably be quite significant if Nelis wins the fly (6 pt swing because I predicted Dekker). At this point I put Nelis as the favorite.

Olivet is way off what I predicted accept Nate Buscher. He is single handedly keeping Olivet on track with my predictions. The meet may come down to the last relay. Also the stakes (we outght not outright refer to them ) will probably come down to the last relay.

Hey, it helps to have someone pushing you… as opposed to simply trying to ‘keep up’ with Krone and not swimming a strategically sound race, Ellis (probably more Heyboer’s speed than Krone) in the 200 bk could be the impetus to get him going.

As much as I would love to see Dekker get it, I think Krone pretty much has it in the bag. Even if he does not win the 200 free (and I have trouble seeing him not winning it), he will most likely have set 2 MIAA records before this meet is through. Dekker’s best chance for an MIAA record is probably tonight in the 200 IM (and I do not think he will, but it would be great).

Two MIAA records and another top 2 or 3 performance should beat a 3-event winner every time. Not much of a debate in my mind.

Where the debate comes is, let’s say we take out Krone and now you have to compare Dekker to Ellis.

@Low Tide wrote:

Even if he does not win the 200 free (and I have trouble seeing him not winning it)

I still think he is a big underdog in the 2 free. He did the same thing last year. Everybody saw his 500 and said he would win the 200 and I don’t think he cracked the top 4. Can’t recall what his time was but it was pretty close to his first 200 split of his 500. Chaz or Tuuk will go a 1:41 and I don’t know if Krone has enough top-end to beat that.

thus far, I am only good at predicting what won’t happen. It’s a lot easier that way.

Not so sure too many thought he would beat you… and there is a big difference between a 4:35 and a 4:31. I’d put money on Krone tonight.

cheadle, sorry for the confusion about the 2 FR, that makes sense to me now, thanks for the clarification.

ok, mvp w/out krone. You have to put heyboer in the mix, especially if dekker doesn’t win 3, we say 2, and heyboer should have 2 wins as opposed to ellis’ 1 win. Even if dekker wins 3 i still give it to ellis for two reasons:

1) MIAA record

2) agree with it or not how they will do at nats will come into play, and ellis will dominate dekker at nats.

Now I scored today out as is, correct me if i am wrong, but I have….

Olivet 370
Hope 354
Kzoo 264
Cal 217

that is with same diving results as yesterday and the 8 free going Hope – Olivet – Calvin – Kzoo obviously we don’t know if this is right, but if I am wrong there let me know. Who is on it for K? I think calvin goes res, jbg, conrad, vanalls?

So there’s that, and as is, hope would be beating K by 90. But obviously K loves 200 strokes and Hope hates them (hey tradition is tradition). Boy 78.5 is a great line, y’all can get in line to give me my props.

Interesting to me: Krone and Meisner, with this influx of youth, are the only two who have a good shot at defending their event titles from last year.

EDIT — Oops, I missed that Dekker was a repeat champ in the 200 IM.

This is what I had for individual events through today:

Ignore the 2nd collumn, collumn 3 is the event # and collumn 4 is the points for that event. Summarizing I had Kzoo down 74 individually after tonight plus another 8 points for relays for a total of Kzoo down by 82 after tonight.

Hope 33 2 23
Hope 60 3 43
Hope 84 4 44
Hope 8 8 23
Hope 48 9 28
Hope 101 10 37
Hope 24 11 17
Hope 14 12 29
Hope Total: 244
Kalamazoo 58 2 1
Kalamazoo 40 3 17
Kalamazoo 65 4 18
Kalamazoo 21 8 37
Kalamazoo 45 9 27
Kalamazoo 10 10 3
Kalamazoo 16 11 45
Kalamazoo 1 12 16
Kalamazoo Diving 6
Kalamazoo Total: 170

Swexes: If you scored out tonight correctly then I would be -8.5 at this point. To “win” I need +2 (plusses good for Kzoo, minuses good for Hope).

If all this confuses you, just know that based on my preditions plus what we already know, Hope now beats kzoo by 86.5 pts (with my original prediction being 80).

What was with the scratch out of Ellis in the 100 fly this morning?

Swexas,

Tuuk instead of KVA on Cal’s 8 free. Tuuker will sit the 2 med I would think.

What was with the scratch out of Ellis in the 100 fly this morning?

Swimming the 200 back.

Ellis definitely has to enter in the MVP discussion now. I honestly was not expecting him to have such a strong 200 back — great swim!

Two MIAA records vs. Krone’s one.
Krone has three wins, but Ellis is arguably much more valuable.

3 records if you include the 200 MR.

This goes back to the old Boss argument that Ellis was on 2 stud relays that wouldn’t have been the same without him.

I always supported Boss receiving MVP and I think Ellis should receive it because, to his team’s points, he has been FAR more valuable than Krone.

@Low Tide wrote:

Krone has three wins, but Ellis is arguably much more valuable.

Yes. I think Ellis is more valuable, but since these things are decided by the coaches, there is an element of sentiment in this vote. Krone is from Albion and is a distance swimmer. So few people from Albion have ever won and so few distance swimmers have ever won MVP that if it comes down to Ellis vs. Krone, Krone wins. But, Ellis did earn more points.