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    • #12244
      H2allpurpose
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      so we have a good idea of the favorites for ea. event, and possibly the records that may go down and it may have been eluded to, but what is are the biggest upset possibilities, sleepers, or darkhorses?

    • #34216
      Chris Knight
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      Good topic. I already noted how I see the 100 fly as an event where a big upset is possible, if not probable. Chagas went 51.0 at Davidson, where it was his 3rd swim. He also went 1:41.5 in the 200 free, which is the fastest time in the conference this year in a dual meet, and tied with Crook for #2 overall. If he goes for that double, I would not be surprised if he wins both (although I don’t think he will since he already has the B cuts in the 1 and 2 frees. His focus should be on the 100 fly A cut). This guy has completely changed the outlook of the meet in just 2 weeks.

      I picked W&L to sweep the relays, but the more I think about these medleys, the more I think Wingate can take them. In the 200, they could go 25.0 (Parks), 25.9 (Vlashchenko), 22.4 (Chagas), and 21.2 (Norman) for a 1:34.5. In the 400, the same 4 could go 53.4, 56.9, 49.9, 47.0 for a 3:27.2. There’s definitely a potential upset in each of those relays.

    • #34217
      Balki
      Member

      I thought you said W&L can break for sure 1.33.9?!
      Chagas has a B cut in 100 fly as well.. so why wouldn’t he swim 200 free where he is only .5 slower rather than 100 fly where he is .71?!

    • #34218
      Chris Knight
      Member

      Nothing’s a sure thing. I believe that W&L will qualify the 200 medley relay, but there’s no way to know for sure until the race is swum. Also, in calculating those potential Wingate times, I tried to be conservative in estimating how much each person would drop (1.5% from each person’s recent splits). So they could be a good bit faster than 1:34.5.

      As for Chagas swimming the 200 individually instead of the fly: You’re absolutely right. There’s really no way to know whether he’ll pick one, the other, or even both until the heat sheets come out a few days before the meet starts. The reason I think he’ll pick the fly is because he might lead off their 4×200. That would be the easiest way to get both in 1 session. Who knows what they’ll do, it will be interesting to see.

      I am starting to think that Corcoran will swim the mile: He’s been doing the 1000 in just about every meet, which leads me to believe he’s preparing for the mile (since the 1000 won’t get him into NCAAs). That will make him the favorite.

    • #34219
      Balki
      Member

      Maybe Corcoran will just swim a 1000 to win it since there wont be any competition for him unless William swims that, and then look for A cut in some other session. why wouldnt he swim 1000 instead of 200 breast which I dont think he can win and just go around 10:00 or a little faster which should be enough to win it.
      As for Chagas, good idea with the relay, who knows. It looks like that 200 free shouldn’t be a problem for him. but we didn’t even talk about his 200 free until this weekend, he might be able to make a cut in 200 fly as well.
      He probably doesn’t want to wait until the last day to get it but if he swims 1.41 in the dual meet 200 free, I think he could swim 200 fly 1.52 low fairly easy.

    • #34220

      You’ve talked alot about the fly & free events…will there be any surprises in backstroke & breaststroke?? and at that how about the IM events??

    • #34221
      Chris Knight
      Member

      Well, in my predictions in the 2006-07 thread, I have Hayes winning the 200 Breast, which could qualify as an upset even though he’s ranked #1 (based on Madolev’s swim last year). I’m basing that on the W&L @ Wingate meet, when I saw him lose the 100 Breast to Vlaschenko by about a full second. I figured the 200 would be more of the same, but he came back, worked the turns and won. It was one of the better races I’ve seen him swim. Plus, he’s already been 2:08 this year and I think he’ll go faster than that. He has his eyes on Houston. In the 100, I don’t see anybody touching Vlaschenko, he’ll be the top seed by a significant margin and has a shot to make NCAAs.

      100 Back: Does Ginder swim it? If so, it shapes up as a battle between him and franchise, the 2x defending champ and meet record holder. If not, Matej walks away with this one. On the bright side, Ginder is likely to lead off W&L’s 4×100 Medley, so we’ll get to see these two square off on Thursay night in that race, if not the individual. Parks will be your 2008 champion, but a senior will win this race.

      200 Back: The sequel to last year’s epic showdown between Tomas and Ginder. It was the best race of the meet last year and could be again. Nobody has been within 5 seconds of these guys in this event this year, so an upset is impossible.

      2 IM: Again, we can’t say for sure because we don’t know for sure whether Corcoran or Crook will swim it. Corcoran might choose to swim the 1,000 at NCAAs, which immediately precedes the 2 IM in the DII order of events. Same story for Crook with the 500 in the DIII order of events. If they do, it sets up as a 3 man battle between them and Hayes, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see any of them emerge victorious. I suppose that Angell will be a factor, but having never seen him swim I can’t say I see him challenging those 3.

      4 IM: I would love to see Hayes take this for the 3rd year in a row, but my head says Corcoran holds him off. After all, Corcoran needs to go go 4:03.99 to make NCAAs. Also, he won this race in the W&L @ Wingate meet with ease. I think Hayes will be close to Corcoran’s seed time of 4:06.6, but asking him to drop over 6 seconds is a lot.

    • #34222
      H2allpurpose
      Member

      if corcoran has to shave and taper to get his cuts, he won’t be doing the 1000 b/c he won’t be able to get back up for the NCAA meet..the smart choice would be to bag the 1000 until he’s able to get cuts in duel meets so he don’t have to taper or rest for the WVIAC, but on the other hand the 1000 is a bit of an easier event….so…..

    • #34223
      Balki
      Member

      4IM was maybe even better race last year. They tied after Hayes being so far ahead.
      Good analysis though Chris.
      I can’t really disagree much on anything.
      The conference needs a couple of good distance guys and backstroke to replace Tomas and Ginder next year. Everything else looks almost to have an A cut podium. In other words its improving so much that I wouldn’t be surprised if in some race next year A cut doesn’t even guarantee you a medal.

    • #34224
      H2allpurpose
      Member

      good thing for hays and the field that the co-champ in that event trans…

    • #34225
      Balki
      Member

      What’s up with Dave? Did he leave because of the coach. A lot of swimmers from Wesleyan quit recently, what’s going on there. They are one of the teams that is taking a downfall in this conference

    • #34226
      H2allpurpose
      Member

      Dave C. transfered with last years WVWC head coach…will most likely be under 4:05…

      With a couple coaching changes within the last 4 years there is always going to be some turnover issues. As most DII schools have experienced drastic scholarship cuts(50% or more) since 2001 and operating budget cuts at about 25%-50%…Wheeling Jesuit University has experienced scholarship cuts of 90% since 1999-2002 time period. I’m sure the operating budget has seen similar cuts as well.

      The administrators at these institutions are in a figurative comma, if they don’t wake up soon, they’ll never wake up.

    • #34227
      frenchfries
      Member

      I have been a fan of the Bluegrass Mountain Conference for a few years now. I am not sure I will be able to travel to the meet this year since it is no longer in Ohio, but I will follow closely online. It won’t be the same as seeing in person the Ginder kid, or Tomas, or W&L’s sprinters, or some of the up and coming Wingate kids. On the women’s side, there have been some memorable swimmers as well…Dixon, Gold, and Vlashchenko and Wickham would be fun to see.

      Cruikshank’s 400IM last year to come back and tie for the win was one of the more memorable swims in recent Bluegrass Mountain memory.

      A few of the more infamous moments, if you recall, might be:

      1. the Hopkins girl with the great finish that broke a bone in her hand last year

      2. a few years back when the girl from now defunct Salem had a counter in the mile miscount by a 50 and she was passed while hanging out on the wall thinking she was finished

      3. What was the deal with the kid that swam either the mile or the 1000 (or was it both) with one arm 2-3 years ago?

      Can anyone recall some of the more memorable swims (individual or otherwise) in BGMC history so we can all reminisce? Maybe if my curiosity is sparked, I’ll get off my old butt out here in the Midwest and drive south for some great swims…probably not, I’ll probably stay here and watch a boring high school meet. It’s still swimming though.

    • #34228
      franchise
      Member

      hm.. interesting name you got there frenchfries..
      I do remember #1 and #3 of the most memorable moments.
      As for #3, that was either John Wade or Beau Krpicek from WVWC, I should know for sure but am a little uncertain because they both had shoulder injuries and while on that topic John is I think close to finishing his swimming career because of the shoulder.. what an unfortunate story, he swam at the invite his freshman year 4.47 and from then on struggled with his shoulder and never came close to that result.
      As for #2, I heard that story several times, her coach was getting pretty excited about her time and didn’t even know she swam 50 less, haha..

    • #34229
      H2allpurpose
      Member

      ahhhh, those are some good memories:

      1.D.C. v. Hayes was a lot of fun, prob. not for the latter as much…but wild at that!

      2.the broken hand girl, WTF, that’s some serious fortitude to finish that race with that much intensity.

      3. Ati was prob.one of the best girls to walk the deck, but unfortunetly we never saw her shaved, or rested at BGMC b/c she always had cuts in duel meets,etc. The mis-count?! I think Keith Bullion about shit a chicken!

      4.Beau Krpicak swam the 1000,1650, and 200 back with one arm! haha, I don’t think he was too keen on it until all the girls in the Nat. were like,” oh….what’s wrong with him?” and the announcer, Sarg, made a big deal during the race about him having a torn rotator cuff. Sad things is he actually scored some points in at least two of the three.

      some others:

      Andy Waeger from FSU winning the 200 Breast his senior year 2000, was prob. the most I’d ever cheered for an opposing rival and the loudest that Nat has ever been!

      Finals of the 200 fly 2000:
      Zoran Laz.(WJU) current 200 fly recored holder, NCAA national champ, and record holder 2000.
      Matt Staley (WJU)two time 200 fly NCAA all-american (1998,2000)
      Hedie Amagas (sp?) (FSU) walkon turned all-american twice 200 fly
      Matt Houllier:(WJU) all-american 200 fly 2000-2003

      …….anyone else? I’m sure there are a hundred….

    • #34230
      Balki
      Member

      3. Ati was prob.one of the best girls to walk the deck, but unfortunetly we never saw her shaved, or rested at BGMC b/c she always had cuts in duel meets,etc. The mis-count?! I think Keith Bullion about shit a chicken!

      I don’t think he did because he wasn’t their coach at the time.

      How about 200 Breast last year?!
      Hayes going crazy fast in the morning, Rod Hunte won every year before then I think and I think there were some issues on the team about who will swim breast in their medley relays. Maybe Franchise could clarify that for us. It ended up Madolev swam the relays which was a great decision by Coach Snively, you gotta have the guts to put a freshman in the situation like that. So, I am sure Hunte wanted to take that 200 breast but Madolev just flew by them all in the last 50, breaking the Hunte’s school record by over a second! Great Race!!!!!!!

    • #34231
      H2allpurpose
      Member

      yes, keith bullion was the head men’s and women’s coach for salem when ati yuliani’s (sp?) counter mis-counted in one of her distance events….
      ….I laughed, I shouldn’t have b/c in life there is karma…..two-three weeks later at NCAA’s my coach mis-counted my 500….that sucked….

      I think we were all surprised of Ivan’s 200 breast swim b/c he was deemed by others outside of FSU as a 50/100 guy….also, one thing that Hunte won’t bring up, but I have no problem reminding you all is that Hunte was in an accident and hurt his wrist. I firmly believe this is aside from a knee or ankle injury the worst thing that could happen to a breastroker…

    • #34232
      H2allpurpose
      Member

      ……….you might be right about keith bullion…..for some reason I can’t remember him at nat’s that year, maybe is was Steve….

      either way, Keith Bullion shit a chicken on the pool deck more than once, so my bad if I got that one screwed up….

    • #34233
      Balki
      Member

      Thats correct, Steve was the head coach and Keith was the assistant.
      As for Hunte, I don’t know many details about that accident, I heard they had one ( going to a swim meet and who else was in it? ), again waiting on Matej to explain that a little bit more. I agree that wrist injury would be an awkward one for a swimmer.

    • #34234
      H2allpurpose
      Member

      Balki,

      are you still an athlete? I assume, as you stated that you’re closing out the last 100 free spot….but was wondering how you knew about STU/SIU and its history before your time if you are an athlete…
      ….just curious….

    • #34235
      Balki
      Member

      Some of my family members have been involved in many ways with Bluegrass Mountain Conference so they helped me with some of the information.
      I was watching the conference meet for many years and always wanted to compete. My dream came true.

    • #34236
      H2allpurpose
      Member

      agreed, its a very special conference meet that is very intimate and close with all athletes….

      ….gonna miss it at Wooster though…..still don’t really agree with it, but I’m sure MAC is a great facility and will be a fast meet with many more memories…..

      maybe some of you techies can tape some races and put it on http://www.youtube.com ?????

    • #34237
      Balki
      Member

      And so many great swimmers.
      Who is the best swimmer of all time?
      Who would you like to coach the most as a coach or have as your teammate if a swimmer? Who was the hardest working swimmer and who was the most talented one?
      I heard so many times that Zoran Lazarovski was maybe the best one but too bad he was there only one year.
      Stojadinovic?

    • #34238
      H2allpurpose
      Member

      Zoran Lazarovski was a very talented guy, two years in the States then back to Macedonia….he did hold the national 200 fly record for one year, but not the best..

      Predrag has to be the best for the simple fact that in 1998 he was the DII NCAA swimmer of the meet…maybe wrong year…

      Transy had a guy, Libor Janek that I believe what the most versital dude to walk the Wooster deck, but again, never saw the true height of his ability because he had a beard that would make ZZ Top Double take…

      I’m sure Matej and Ginder will be in those talks as they are pretty dominating….

      Hardest worker? You’d be opening up a can of worms that could be a big mess….

      I’d pick Matej b/c zoran smoked too much, and Predrag had bad manners…but were def. missing a dozen names that could get thrown into the mix….foreigners, can’t live with ’em can live without ’em!

    • #34239
      franchise
      Member

      Good call on 200 breast last year..
      And another thing that added to the excitement was that if Hayes won he would have been a swimmer of the meet and if not William and me would and Ivan was very well aware of that.
      One thing you have to understand when you talk about him is that he is a well experienced international swimmer and older than usual freshmen, so it wasn’t like putting some 18-year old kid in the big relay..
      I think it was a surprise to him that 200 breast as well because coming from Europe and experiencing pain and dying that comes from 200-meters, you just think you can’t do it but this is a whole different story.. I was the same way my freshman and then I beat Putra in 200 fly at one dual meet and realized I could do it, but I made my cut for European Championship in 50 back before I came here..
      As for Rod, two of them had a healthy competition going on, and of course they both wanted to be in that relay, decision was made that Ivan goes and it was the right one..
      Rod was hurt the most from the accident and wrist was a problem at first but then he couldn’t get rid of a lower back problem known to everyone.. He was still at the conference taking Ibuprofen to be able to swim, I think he still has problems with it.. We were all very fortunate to come alive from that car, I was in the back seat and had the least injuries, just a bruise on my nose and my upper back from hitting the roof of the car when we flipped.. People who stopped there couldn’t believe we all got out of the car alive and without serious injuries most of us..
      As for the best swimmers and workers, thanks for mentioning my name there H2.. As you know I am a good friend of Zoran and know how good he is, I am not a friend of Predrag Stojadinovic because of a well known fact about his nationality.. but he was an outstanding swimmer however..

    • #34240
      H2allpurpose
      Member

      Franchise,

      I did not know that you knew Zoran. It would have made for an interesting contest between you too because of your personalities.

      I was under the impression that Pedrag was from the balkin states? Am I wrong there? Either way, you said you aren’t his friend b/c of his nationality? Just making sure that is how you meant that comment. I wouldn’t have been a fan of his b/c of his “antic’s” and at that time period the fearse rivalry between that school and mine, but not b/c he was from the country he was from….

      When is your wedding?

    • #34241
      franchise
      Member

      I did not know that you knew Zoran. It would have made for an interesting contest between you too because of your personalities.

      I thought I told you I talked to him about our conference after my freshman year..

      I was under the impression that Pedrag was from the balkin states? Am I wrong there? Either way, you said you aren’t his friend b/c of his nationality? Just making sure that is how you meant that comment. I wouldn’t have been a fan of his b/c of his “antic’s” and at that time period the fearse rivalry between that school and mine, but not b/c he was from the country he was from….

      He is Serbian and I am Croatian, not much love there..

      When is your wedding?

      May 19th in West Virginia..

    • #34242
      H2allpurpose
      Member

      franchise,

      It must have slipped my mind…I havn’t spoke to zoran in a long while; hope he’s going well…

      Matej, I appologize for the ignorant question. That conflict (bosnian/serbian) is not publisized here very well and therefore I have no frame of reference. Zoran and some of the bulgarians always had some interesting stories to tell about their homelands….

      I hope the wedding plans aren’t distracting you from your training!

      What did William do to his finger?

      …….and most interestingly, you are the “franchise” how has pat done in efforts to fill those shoes?

    • #34243
      franchise
      Member

      Wedding plans are not distracting me, I put that on hold, haha..
      I hope I will have time to take care of that after NCAA’s..

      William cut his finger on one of those salami cutting machines.. He is kicking with a glove over his hand, he can’t get it wet.. But you never know how that can affect you in taper, he has so much base work behind him this season and in the whole career that it could work out good for him..

      I don’t think I understood the last question.. sorry, I tried really hard, haha

    • #34244
      H2allpurpose
      Member

      I think that I’d agree with you on the injury…could turn out good for you all………

      the question…you are leaving matej and before you there was Uros the original croatian sensation…how has Pat done in recruiting…hard to replace the franchise player/swimmer…

    • #34245
      franchise
      Member

      I honestly don’t know.. None of the Croatians are coming I know that.. I don’t know if you remember ir if you’ve even heard that we had Croatian who came last january but left after 2-3 days, just couldn’t handle being away from his family and a long-time girlfriend.. He was maybe a second slower than me in 100 fly and was a versatile swimmer as well so it hurt our plans a lot..
      You know how hard it is to get international students.. they all need money.. Fortunately I have had academic scholarship the whole time and Uros’s family was able to financially help him..
      It is a shame what has happened with WVIAC conference, just look at all the rivalry few years ago, I mean I was so pumped up every time we swam either Wesleyan or Salem.. I hope it could change to better again..
      Peace

    • #34246
      H2allpurpose
      Member

      I agree with you about the WVIAC, Fairmont, Salem, and Wheeling Jesuit were the big three from 1999-2003, before that if you look at the West Virginia Wesleyan College records from 1995-1998 they would have been a handful in duel meets that is for sure!

      Like I mentioned earlier, the DIII schools, although they are pretty quick to dispute this, have so much more money to offer than most of the DII schools that are in the BGMC and nationally…

      …not taking away from any of the schools, but it would be a different story if the WVIAC schools were at the level they were 4-7 years ago…….

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