Best Team of All Time

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    • #12941

      In continuing with the series on “History of the MIAC, the ESPN era”, I was looking for the best “teams” of the modern era.

      Rather than do a top 10 ranking where all the teams are either Olaf or GAC, I listed the top for each school. I’m sure people will disagree, and I’ll miss something. I tend to favor the teams in the era I swam (late ’90s). I also had trouble with smaller programs factoring in depth, so I favored years with a really fast top level one or two guys. For GAC and Olaf, I tried to factor in both conference and national finishes.

      Olaf – ’86-’87… 7 All-Americans (5 in individual events), 3 national champion swims (Casson 1, Hauck 2), and guys who must have held the Olaf records for a long time… Casson, Hauck, Tim Olson, Tim Niznik, and Bill Bloomberg. Mac, can you pull nationals from that year? Are there any other Olaf teams that stand out?

      GAC – ’04-’05… 7th at nationals, 1st in conference (876 points). The ’03-’04 team actually had more points at conference (909), but was 9th at nationals. Top swimmers were Sutor, Hagemeyer, Amundson, Hanson, Christianson, Hammer, and others I’m sure I’m missing. I would like to say the ’99-’00 team was the best since they ended Olaf’s run at titles in conference and set the stage for the early millenium teams. Last years team was 5th nationally, but losing to Olaf at conference probably knocks them down slightly.

      SJU – ’95-’96… This team only took 3rd at conference I think (’97-’98 was second*), but I remember this team having a lot of good swimmers on it. Zelen, Underhill, Schmitz, Stevens, Bowman, Bastien, Steger, Ryan McGovern, Steve Espelin, Bob Ahmrein, and others I’m sure. The ’98 team I think had some solid guys as well with Zelen still around, Matt Sharp, Scott Welle, and a lot more team depth.

      “This was the year the meet started at SJU but got moved to St. Kates on Saturday after GAC’s Steve Ligouri broke his glasses on the pool deck.

      Carleton – ’97-’98… I think they had Dave Cameron and Max Harper on this team. I think Dan Heiser and Lars Brudvig were on that team as well. Their last years team with Friedlander-Holm and Marschall on it might be up there. Or maybe ’03 with Jason Brown. Looking at their sites top 10 list, a lot of times are still up there from the ’88-’90 era, so maybe that could be the tops.

      UST – ’07-’08… the ’93-’94 team had Beskar and Hany Omar I think, who were both awesome (Omar would have been even better, but I think Ramadan cut into his taper one year). But the ’07-’08 team is poised to break a lot of the relay records at UST I think, and could finish as high as 3rd this year with a good taper.

      Macalaster – ’91-’92 or ’05-’06… Couldn’t find much other than Adam Burke and Sjon Swanson dominate their record boards. One guy typically does not make a “team”, but in Mac’s case, maybe they do.

      Hamline – ’95’-’96 or ’06-’07… The ’95-’96 team had Steinamen and Billy Gilbert who were both pretty awesome, but usually struggled because I think the team only had 3-4 guys. You never knew if they’d have a relay. For last years team, I think the 5th place finish was pretty solid. Beckman, Burgess, Tapia, Patterson, Khoury-Hanold, etc.

      St. Mary’s – No clue… They’ve had some solid swimmers come through there: Loffelholz, Conway (before transferring to UST), and others. Current team looks pretty solid with John Fox.

      If I had to pick the best team ever, I guess I’d say Olaf ’86-’87. Judging from the top level swimmers, they could push a lot of current teams. With their times from back then.

    • #42748
      Monti
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      @Chapel Partner wrote:

      In continuing with the series on “History of the MIAC, the ESPN era”, I was looking for the best “teams” of the modern era.

      Rather than do a top 10 ranking where all the teams are either Olaf or GAC, I listed the top for each school. I’m sure people will disagree, and I’ll miss something. I tend to favor the teams in the era I swam (late ’90s). I also had trouble with smaller programs factoring in depth, so I favored years with a really fast top level one or two guys. For GAC and Olaf, I tried to factor in both conference and national finishes.

      Hamline – ’95’-’96 or ’06-’07… The ’95-’96 team had Steinamen and Billy Gilbert who were both pretty awesome, but usually struggled because I think the team only had 3-4 guys. You never knew if they’d have a relay. For last years team, I think the 5th place finish was pretty solid. Beckman, Burgess, Tapia, Patterson, Khoury-Hanold, etc.

      For Hamline their best teams had to be in the late 70’s. Like 76-79 look pretty solid based on their Top 10’s:(http://www.hamline.edu/hamline_info/athletics/mens_swimming_diving/mens_topten.html). Interesting side note, Hamline has produced 3 head coaches currently: Macalester (Pearson), STAR swim club (Lundsten), Black Dog Swim (O’Neil). Any other program produce as many future head coaches?

    • #42749
      wonderboy33
      Member

      @Monti wrote:

      @Chapel Partner wrote:

      In continuing with the series on “History of the MIAC, the ESPN era”, I was looking for the best “teams” of the modern era.

      Rather than do a top 10 ranking where all the teams are either Olaf or GAC, I listed the top for each school. I’m sure people will disagree, and I’ll miss something. I tend to favor the teams in the era I swam (late ’90s). I also had trouble with smaller programs factoring in depth, so I favored years with a really fast top level one or two guys. For GAC and Olaf, I tried to factor in both conference and national finishes.

      Hamline – ’95’-’96 or ’06-’07… The ’95-’96 team had Steinamen and Billy Gilbert who were both pretty awesome, but usually struggled because I think the team only had 3-4 guys. You never knew if they’d have a relay. For last years team, I think the 5th place finish was pretty solid. Beckman, Burgess, Tapia, Patterson, Khoury-Hanold, etc.

      For Hamline their best teams had to be in the late 70’s. Like 76-79 look pretty solid based on their Top 10’s:(http://www.hamline.edu/hamline_info/athletics/mens_swimming_diving/mens_topten.html). Interesting side note, Hamline has produced 3 head coaches currently: Macalester (Pearson), STAR swim club (Lundsten), Black Dog Swim (O’Neil). Any other program produce as many future head coaches?

      Don’t forget Kate Lundsten at Aquajets.

    • #42750
      Monti
      Member

      good catch. Forgot about Aquajets. 4 solid head coaches. Not bad for a Hamline program that averages a team size equivalent to the # of swimmers in 1 lane at GAC for practice.

    • #42751

      I left off the 70’s teams from Hamline and Macalaster… I was only addressing the ESPN era.

      For all I know, the 70’s teams swam in 20 yard pools that are now dance clubs where freshman heavy pet on the Gustavus campus.

      GAC produced both John Carlson (didn’t swim), and Dave Hauck (probably swam).

    • #42752
      Monti
      Member

      @Chapel Partner wrote:

      I left off the 70’s teams from Hamline and Macalaster… I was only addressing the ESPN era.

      For all I know, the 70’s teams swam in 20 yard pools that are now dance clubs where freshman heavy pet on the Gustavus campus.

      GAC produced both John Carlson (didn’t swim), and Dave Hauck (probably swam).

      FYI…ESPN was created in 1979.

    • #42753

      Yeah, you are right, but since it was September 1979, I usually think of the ESPN era as the 80s to now.. or at least ’79-’80 swimming seasons. But that is splitting hairs.

      Hamline did have solid teams back then… I bet their pool was state of the art then too. When all pools were designed to look and smell like bus shelters.

    • #42754
      silentp
      Member

      @wonderboy33 wrote:

      @Monti wrote:

      @Chapel Partner wrote:

      In continuing with the series on “History of the MIAC, the ESPN era”, I was looking for the best “teams” of the modern era.

      Rather than do a top 10 ranking where all the teams are either Olaf or GAC, I listed the top for each school. I’m sure people will disagree, and I’ll miss something. I tend to favor the teams in the era I swam (late ’90s). I also had trouble with smaller programs factoring in depth, so I favored years with a really fast top level one or two guys. For GAC and Olaf, I tried to factor in both conference and national finishes.

      Hamline – ’95’-’96 or ’06-’07… The ’95-’96 team had Steinamen and Billy Gilbert who were both pretty awesome, but usually struggled because I think the team only had 3-4 guys. You never knew if they’d have a relay. For last years team, I think the 5th place finish was pretty solid. Beckman, Burgess, Tapia, Patterson, Khoury-Hanold, etc.

      For Hamline their best teams had to be in the late 70’s. Like 76-79 look pretty solid based on their Top 10’s:(http://www.hamline.edu/hamline_info/athletics/mens_swimming_diving/mens_topten.html). Interesting side note, Hamline has produced 3 head coaches currently: Macalester (Pearson), STAR swim club (Lundsten), Black Dog Swim (O’Neil). Any other program produce as many future head coaches?

      Don’t forget Kate Lundsten at Aquajets.

      See viewtopic.php?f=46&t=2628&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=tree&start=15

    • #42755
      The Pork
      Member

      Hamline also produced Mike Steineman, head coach of Cretin-Derham Hall’s high school swim team in St. Paul, who in turn produced Adam and Zach Weis who are now both swimming for the U of M.

    • #42756
      Deep Water
      Member

      Does Nick Early from GAC still coach? Jon Carlson’s dad (GAC alum) is the longtime coach for Hutchinson MN. Don’t forget Mr. assistant to the head coach Andy Hagen…

    • #42757
      Monti
      Member

      @Deep Water wrote:

      Does Nick Early from GAC still coach? Jon Carlson’s dad (GAC alum) is the longtime coach for Hutchinson MN. Don’t forget Mr. assistant to the head coach Andy Hagen…

      Early does not coach that I know of. Simebone coaches in Redwing and Alex and Dan Lindstrom from GAC both coach in Monticello.

    • #42758

      @The Pork wrote:

      Hamline also produced Mike Steineman, head coach of Cretin-Derham Hall’s high school swim team in St. Paul, who in turn produced Adam and Zach Weis who are now both swimming for the U of M.

      Cretin has a swim team? And Stieneman coaches? This could be Minny Chubs big chance to get his kid into a top level school!

      I think Assistant to the Head Coach Hagen is poised to be a head coach somewhere soon. He was rumored to be close to the River Fall job, but either turned it down, or they found out he had posed nude for “Outside” magazine with only an acoustic guitar covering his tuna can. He could also be waiting for that day when Head Coach Carlson decides to fly the coup for a DI program that will allow him to coach swimming and tennis.

      Back to the “best team”… does anyone have the conference or nationals results from that ’87 Olaf team?

    • #42759

      @Deep Water wrote:

      Does Nick Early from GAC still coach?

      Currently in Chicago and assissting with the Chicago Bule Dolphins Masters program, so, sort of. Most of time is spent focusing on Triathlons.

    • #42760

      @Chapel Partner wrote:

      GAC produced both John Carlson (didn’t swim), and Dave Hauck (probably swam).

      Isn’t Dave Hauck in the GAC Hall-of-Fame for his swimming prowess? I think he totally dominated the 110-yard free in the 50’s.

    • #42761

      @E-man’s Revenge wrote:

      Isn’t Dave Hauck in the GAC Hall-of-Fame for his swimming prowess? I think he totally dominated the 110-yard free in the 50’s.

      That he is. I believe he still holds some records at The Dive pool and, since it no longer exists, he will hold them forever. He also won an award (who it’s named after escapes me at the moment) and his picture can be found in the hall outside the pool, just down from the record plaque, with the other winners.

    • #42762

      He also won an award (who it’s named after escapes me at the moment) and his picture can be found in the hall outside the pool

      That’s the Paul Hedin award. Chapel Partner was the proud recipient of this award back in the 90’s. It’s basically given to the senior male swimmer who wasn’t a total dick to Jon.

    • #42763

      I am the one wearing the Gustavus Letter Sweater… limited edition. I might break it out at conference this year.

    • #42764

      @E-man’s Revenge wrote:

      It’s basically given to the senior male swimmer who wasn’t a total dick to Jon.

      If I’m not mistaken, doesn’t the men’s team vote on this? The Hedin family may also have some input to the situation since it is their award. Anyhow, I’m pretty sure that Jon isn’t the sole voter, in which case his opinion would count very little.

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