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    • #12404
      N Dynamite
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      I just heard that USCGA’s 200 Medley Relay alternates got the call last night that they’re in. I’m guessing that means CMU is also in since they were alternates ahead of USCGA. Anyone know what happened?

    • #36101

      Neil Mahoney-critical freshman for hopkins relays-had to drop out due to an apendectomy (sp.?).

    • #36102
      swim5599
      Member

      Are you serious? WOW

    • #36103
      openwater
      Member

      @green monster wrote:

      Neil Mahoney-critical freshman for hopkins relays-had to drop out due to an apendectomy (sp.?).

      I don’t have my paper work with me but that doesn’t make any sense. The other members of the JHU are in the meet for other events so the removal of one relay only swimmer doesn’t open up 2 (or 5) relay only slots to allow these other teams to get in. I am confused.

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      @openwater wrote:

      the removal of one relay only swimmer doesn’t open up 2 (or 5) relay only slots to allow these other teams to get in. I am confused.

      My thoughts exactly. Who else dropped?

    • #36105
      openwater
      Member

      @OutsideSmoker27 wrote:

      @openwater wrote:

      the removal of one relay only swimmer doesn’t open up 2 (or 5) relay only slots to allow these other teams to get in. I am confused.

      My thoughts exactly. Who else dropped?

      JHU has 9 other swimmers, Mahoney is indeed not listed as a participant, but a single relay only drop is supposed to let in the next relay IF the only thing keeping it out was one not already qualified swimmer. If the next relay in line needs 2 open slots then the ‘relay only’ slot becomes an individual swim as I understand it.

      Now suppose they had already converted a relay only slot in a previous round of entry making to an individual….never mind this hurts what was once my brain.

    • #36106

      how does the whole alternate thing work for ncaa’s

      will they call alternates to the meet even like the day before.. or during the meet??

      say for example if someone gets sick or injured and scratches from the meet on the first day of competition.. and they scratch from events on their 2nd and third days… will the ncaa call alternates that move up in those events?

    • #36107
      openwater
      Member

      @chunkybearcub137 wrote:

      how does the whole alternate thing work for ncaa’s

      will they call alternates to the meet even like the day before.. or during the meet??

      say for example if someone gets sick or injured and scratches from the meet on the first day of competition.. and they scratch from events on their 2nd and third days… will the ncaa call alternates that move up in those events?

      Alternates only can be invited to the meet before it starts – I think that the Tuesday of the week of the meet is the deadline.

    • #36108
      gccswimmer16
      Member

      From what it looks like, CMU’s relay is going to get jumped by USCGA. Despite the fact that CMU has a better relay time, if they were selected, they would have to bring 3 relay only swimmers. That would be two swimmers over the cap limit. USCGA would have to bring 2 relay only swimmers, which would put it at 1 swimmer over the cap limit. So it looks like CMU will be out, USCGA in for the alternate relay. There’s no way the NCAA brings both of them-they’d then be 4 swimmers over the cap.

      Another question about CMU though. . . what happen to their freshmen backstroker Reece Dukes? He swam first semester, but was nowhere to be seen second semester. We wouldn’t even be having this conversation if he had swum-I think he would have done enough to get them in.

    • #36109
      Stevo
      Member

      From what it looks like, CMU’s relay is going to get jumped by USCGA. Despite the fact that CMU has a better relay time, if they were selected, they would have to bring 3 relay only swimmers. That would be two swimmers over the cap limit. USCGA would have to bring 2 relay only swimmers, which would put it at 1 swimmer over the cap limit. So it looks like CMU will be out, USCGA in for the alternate relay. There’s no way the NCAA brings both of them-they’d then be 4 swimmers over the cap.

      How do you explain that to the CMU relay team? They made the qulifying time (that is faster than USCGA) and they would get jumped because of relay only swimmers? In my opinion you can’t do that. If they are the next fastest relay they should be the alternate.

    • #36110
      N Dynamite
      Member

      @Stevo wrote:

      How do you explain that to the CMU relay team? They made the qulifying time (that is faster than USCGA) and they would get jumped because of relay only swimmers? In my opinion you can’t do that. If they are the next fastest relay they should be the alternate.

      Maybe it’s because they’re faster by virtue of being closer to the NCAA meet record – not in the actual event. I think the relays in question are the 200 MR for USCGA and 800 FR for CMU. Based on the discussion about the new rule for competition with high school and college athletes it’s pretty evident that the NCAA does what it wants even if it doesn’t make sense.

    • #36111
      Chris Knight
      Member

      1:34.20 ÷ 1:28.75 = 1.0614

      6:54.83 ÷ 6:36.26 = 1.0469

      Looks to me like CMU is closer to the national record.

    • #36112

      Ooohhh…. Math is a bitch.

    • #36113
      N Dynamite
      Member

      @Chris Knight wrote:

      1:34.20 ÷ 1:28.75 = 1.0614

      6:54.83 ÷ 6:36.26 = 1.0469

      Looks to me like CMU is closer to the national record.

      That was pretty obvious by the psyche sheet – CMU’s alternates were listed ahead of USCGA’s. The bottom line is, I heard USCGA is in, apparently gccswimmer16 heard CMU is not. The only way to tell will be once the results come in – if CMU has a relay then you know they got in. If CMU doesn’t but USCGA’s alternates swim you’ll know CMU got jumped.

    • #36114
      openwater
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      @N Dynamite wrote:

      @Chris Knight wrote:

      1:34.20 ÷ 1:28.75 = 1.0614

      6:54.83 ÷ 6:36.26 = 1.0469

      Looks to me like CMU is closer to the national record.

      That was pretty obvious by the psyche sheet – CMU’s alternates were listed ahead of USCGA’s. The bottom line is, I heard USCGA is in, apparently gccswimmer16 heard CMU is not. The only way to tell will be once the results come in – if CMU has a relay then you know they got in. If CMU doesn’t but USCGA’s alternates swim you’ll know CMU got jumped.

      Based on the handbook – neither should get in. If the relay-only cap is exceeded by the addition of the mathematically next relay then the relay does not get in and one or more (as appropriate) individuals are invited.

    • #36115
      N Dynamite
      Member

      @openwater wrote:

      Based on the handbook – neither should get in. If the relay-only cap is exceeded by the addition of the mathematically next relay then the relay does not get in and one or more (as appropriate) individuals are invited.

      I agree with you 100%. However:

      @N Dynamite wrote:

      Based on the discussion about the new rule for competition with high school and college athletes it’s pretty evident that the NCAA does what it wants even if it doesn’t make sense.

      I don’t know if CMU should be upset, USCGA should be happy they’re in, or if some other school should be angry that this wasn’t extended to them in past years

    • #36116

      Nothing was extended to anybody. Cressman and Berry aren’t even in the meet. They’re alternates along with the CMU relay guys. UW-La Crosse rightfully got their guy(s) in on the 400 Free Relay.

    • #36117
      gccswimmer16
      Member

      Chip Cressman, who swims at Grove City, has a brother at USCGA (the Cressman you refer to). According to Chip, his brother has got the call that he is definitely in the meet.

    • #36118

      The only thing I can think of is that he is an alternate for USCGA, meaning another USCGA guy isn’t swimming the meet and Cressman is replacing him only in the relay(s) he was in.

      The last time I remember this happening was in 2004 when CMU (coincidentally) who named Belowich (coach’s son, not the coach) to the meet after Steve Chiou, who was the breaststroker on the 400 MR, quit after conference.

    • #36119
      oldswimnfool
      Member

      I think You are exactly right – R. Caple injured himself in the mid season and exacerbatted the injury on Sunday of the conference meet.

    • #36120
      oldswimnfool
      Member

      @openwater wrote:

      @chunkybearcub137 wrote:

      how does the whole alternate thing work for ncaa’s

      will they call alternates to the meet even like the day before.. or during the meet??

      say for example if someone gets sick or injured and scratches from the meet on the first day of competition.. and they scratch from events on their 2nd and third days… will the ncaa call alternates that move up in those events?

      Alternates only can be invited to the meet before it starts – I think that the Tuesday of the week of the meet is the deadline.

      I just found out – Tuesday is the deadline. Does anyone know if there is a penalty for not reporting a scratch?

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