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Kaitlyn Orstein had a good afternoon against Frostburg State. Orstein set a pool record in the 200 IM (2:05.39) and qualified for the NCAA “A” cut by two seconds. She also posted an “A” cut time during her 100 breastroke victory (1:05.08).

Wow, McGlaston and that relay really surprised me for this early in the season. Any word on if they took a mini-rest for this meet?

incredible times. i would say this puts mcglaston as the favorite for the 50 at this point. courage is fast, but as has been previously discussed, doesn’t have a great start. im just in shock at those times. ginder is really good. i might have to change my prediction of 1:38.5 to win. what did mcglaston split on that relay?

I keep messing up and posting things about that 50 from Mcglaston under the wrong topic, so for the third time today I will just say, wow that is fast. WHat is he going to go at the end of the year 20.2 maybe

Chris Knight,

Any insights as to where these swims are coming from? I mean that more along the lines of, did he do something different this summer, has the coach changed the sprint training? You seem to be in the W & L know a little bit more than most of us.

I usually attribute big drops early in the year to being rested. Sometimes people train very hard all summer and then when they get to school they cut back a little due to class or the rest of the team not being in as good of shape and practice not being as hard for that individual as it should. Often these individuals slow down within a few weeks and don’t are not significantly faster at the end of the year. But, that may not be the case here…..

As great as the 20.6 was, is there anyone out there that is surprised that he was not at least 46 mid to low in the 100. I would have thought he would have def been that fast in the 100

@swim5599 wrote:

As great as the 20.6 was, is there anyone out there that is surprised that he was not at least 46 mid to low in the 100. I would have thought he would have def been that fast in the 100

im not that surprised. endurance isnt there yet at this early in the season, but the sprinting is.

also, why did he swim exhibition?

Dude went from 21.7 to 20.6 in a week. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that he was tapered – intentionally or not. That is too big a drop in a week to go a PR, esp. coming from an upperclassman without any taper. Unless the 21.7 was in a 4 foot deep pool.

No way he drops below 20.0. Not unless something major happened between this and last year – like putting on 20lbs of muscle, or something. I’m guessing that he won’t drop all that much to nats – Kind of like Eddis Singleton did his sophmore year – get the A cut early, then drop a tad at nats, but it was enough for the win.

I’m thinking more along the lines of 20.3-4 from him.

Is 20.3 enough to win it? I would think it would be. Courage has the back end speed in the 50, but he would have to improve his starts drastically. I know Test went 20.6 last year, so he might be up there as well. I think the 50 and 200 frees might be the most exciting individual races this year.

The 50 is going to be a close call. After watching Test close his sprints at Carnegie, I’d have to give him a slight edge. He has so much speed off the wall. Also, you can’t forget about Callam from Emory. He was 20.6 last year too and is only looking stronger.

Callam put that 20.6 up leading off the 200 free relay in prelims and then struggled to get back down there the rest of the meet, but I do agree if he has a big training year, he could also be in the 20.3 20.4 range

McGlaston is a chump, his best was 21.0 last year.

I supose that evidence supports the theory that he lifited alot of weight over the summer.

For some reason, last year, w&l rested for their meet against Mary Washington last year. I don’t know why they did, since it was a complete ass whooping. I guess its some sort of Virginia rivalry thing. Any way, i wouldn’t be suprised if they got friday morning off or something like that for the meet this year.

still, lets stick with the facts. 20.66 is smokin’ for this early in the year for any one, even a rested chump

Please explain to me how Tim McGlaston is a chump? He happened to swim very well at an early meet. He is a person who works his tail off and is just beginng to understand what he is capable of accomplishing in this sport. I wouldn’t even dignify this with a response if there had not been a personal attack, but as I mentioned last year when people were attacking Kip Winden from SJU- it is uncalled for, especially when you do not have the courage to post you own name. This is a site to promote DIII swimmers, not attack them from afar.

We have never rested for a dual meet, never will- I don’t know why you think we rested for UMW this year, or last, as we certainly did not. Considering you are not on our team, there is no way you could’ve known what we do for training. Plus, I have way too much respect for Matt Kinney at UMW to rest for a meet against his team and not tell him. If you look at the results you will see that both teams swam well. It was a packed house with a good atmosphere for racing. Here is the practice Tim did the night before the meet:

1×400 choice
2×300 @ 5:00 50 K, 75 bk, 50 3-3 drill, 75 free, 50 NF
8×50 @ :50- no breath 10 yards in and out of the wall
4 perfect starts
4 relay starts
1×200 Max DPS

10×100 Kick @ 1:50 desc. 1-5, 6-10
4×200 pull @ 2:30
4×75 @ 1:15- 3 breaths on final 25
4×50 Non-Free @ :50
4×25 HVO sprint @ :45
3×200 pull @ 2:45
4×75 @ 1:15- 1 breath final 25
4×50 @ :50 NF
4×25 @ :45 HVO sprint
2×200 Pull @ 2:30
4×75 @ 1:10- no breath last 25
4×50 NF @ :45
4×25 @ :45 HVO sprint
1x 200 Pull @ 2:30 fast
10×100 Kick @ 1:45 desc. 1-5, 6-10

500 Drill swim

Lift- general strength
• Squat- 3×8
• Flys on ball- 3×8
• Lat pull down 4×8
• Tricep extension 3×8
• Curl press combo 3×8
• Wood chopper 6×8 (3 each side)
• Twisting Med Ball Throws- 1×60
• 100-200 choice ab work

We also practiced the morning of the meet.

Regards,

Joel Shinofield
Head Coach
Washington and Lee

Man you know you have said something stupid when the coach hops on the site to respond to a post.

@swim5599 wrote:

Man you know you have said something stupid when the coach hops on the site to respond to a post.

im not saying he isnt the coach, but no one can believe it. there’s also really no point in posting what people did the day before or the day of for practice. it’s all hearsay on here. maybe he did it, maybe he didnt, but you dont have to prove to anyone what you did or didnt do the day before. the results will show at the end of the year.

Sincerely,
Bob Bowman
Coach of Michael Phelps

and at the end of the season, I see WLU in the top 5

That would be a nice jump from 14th last year. Dean, I am wondering if you could break down how they will score 280+ for me. I am not doubting your statement, I am just relatively unfamiliar with W & L. I suspect they will shine in relays, Ginder and now, the 50. Where else? Crook had an impressive 500 but 15 of the top 16 return.

I have to agree with the commodore – I also believe they will place higher, but without an explanation I think top 5 is out of their reach. I can see them in the top 10, not top 5.

@The Treat wrote:

Sincerely,
Bob Bowman
Coach of Michael Phelps

Oh Treat… You crack me up.

How do you know W&L rest for this meet? Furthermore, why would a team rest this early in the season for a duel meet that they are easily going to win? If anything, it would hurt them resting this early in the season. Almost all D-3 schools have been training only for 6 weeks. Your muscles are just finally adapting to the training in the pool. Giving your muscle rest isn’t going to do them any good because your muscle have already adapted to the first mesocycle (in terms of periodization). How do you explain why they swam so fast. Probably a lot of W&L swimmers swam over the summer. If you train 3 months over the summer that’s 12 weeks. Now you add 6 weeks of training at school, that’s 18 weeks. That’s almost a full season of training. It makes perfect sense why some of them are swimming fast right now.

GInder is a really talented guy, so I have no doubt that he would be able to go that fast at this point. If they rested or not we will never know. 20.6 at any time rested or not, is an awesome swim. And Treat is right, we will see what happens at the end of the year, but their is no way W and L is in the top 5. They will improve and maybe make it into the top 10, but top 5 needs you to qualify a whole bunch of guys individually, and you have to almost have every relay in the top8. I do not know enough about W and L, but I know they probably do not have enough medley relay wise to place in the top8.

@swim5599 wrote:

GInder is a really talented guy, so I have no doubt that he would be able to go that fast at this point. If they rested or not we will never know. 20.6 at any time rested or not, is an awesome swim. And Treat is right, we will see what happens at the end of the year, but their is no way W and L is in the top 5. They will improve and maybe make it into the top 10, but top 5 needs you to qualify a whole bunch of guys individually, and you have to almost have every relay in the top8. I do not know enough about W and L, but I know they probably do not have enough medley relay wise to place in the top8.

here are the perennial contenders for top 5 spots

kenyon, denison, emory, jhu (these 4 aren’t going anywhere)
williams (they lost cunningham, but is that enough to drop them out?)

then the guys right outside the bubble

wheaton, gustavus, stolaf, uwsp

now i would certainly put W&L in that past group and would put them in the 6-10 group, but it is VERY hard to crack that top 5 (especially if williams reloads like they always do).

Sincerely,
Bob Bowman and Eddie Reese (we joint posted)
Coach of Michael Phelps and Coach of U of Texas and Team USA

As a die hard Wheaton fan/alum, I think you can take Wheaton out of the top 10 for this year… sadly. W&L probably will beat Wheaton, Wheaton just doesn’t have the individual scorers, at least as of right now. I think success for them will be getting a couple relays in, allowing a top 15 finish.

In my post about McGlaston, I mention that he probably was tapered – intentionally or unintentially – what I am really getting at is the unintential part – he probably trained over the summer, and there are a ton of factors which could have influenced his body to perform close to optimally last weekend. I don’t think we are going to see a large drop from the 20.6 – purely based on stereotypical swimming trends. I’ve never seen him swim, and I don’t know specifics obviously – and good swimmers do like fuel for their fires…

Speaking of rested swimmers, a buddy on the team tells me Carthage has a bunch of recruits in this weekend – each guy is hosting at least two – an Earhart’s given them mornings off this week and is letting them use body suits so they look really good in front of them.

@badassbreaststroker wrote:

Speaking of rested swimmers, a buddy on the team tells me Carthage has a bunch of recruits in this weekend – each guy is hosting at least two – an Earhart’s given them mornings off this week and is letting them use body suits so they look really good in front of them.

Those guys work hard enough, they probably need the rest. If it gets them some stud recruits, it’ll be worth it! they had a lackluster recruiting class this year, they need a good one next year to make up for it.

Not having mornings to increase time isn’t a bad idea, but if i was a recruit and saw guys wearing body suits at a dual meet, i’d laugh and not go there. Just my opinion though.

@silentp wrote:

Not having mornings to increase time isn’t a bad idea, but if i was a recruit and saw guys wearing body suits at a dual meet, i’d laugh and not go there. Just my opinion though.

I had the same thought.

@badassbreaststroker wrote:

Speaking of rested swimmers, a buddy on the team tells me Carthage has a bunch of recruits in this weekend – each guy is hosting at least two – an Earhart’s given them mornings off this week and is letting them use body suits so they look really good in front of them.

I heard it was because they decided to forgo conference and really get after Lake Forrest… not the recruits. Earhart thought his guys could make nationals easier in SCM so they got LF to agree since their pool is SCM and they are swimmin that at the Koenitzer

PS you got some bad info from your “buddy on the team” because that is as dumb as what I am saying

Come on that does sound a little ridiculous. How many people that go on a recruiting visit make their decision based on how fast the guys swam in an in season meet? Probably not many. I would look at the school, and then look at their times at the end of the year. I am doubting Carthage is doing this.