A dual meet question(s)

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    • #12199

      As a parent who is relatively new to college swimming, I have a question for those in the know. Namely – In the 16 event meet format, how do those events which have alternative possibilities get decided? I’m thinking 1000 vs. 1650, 200IM vs 400IM, and both relays. Does the home pool coach have total control as to what is swum? Is there a consensus between the coaches? Are the decisions made even before the swim season begins, and such decisions are irreversible? Or can a coach make a change in the alternatives up to the day of the meet?

      Since there have been no other posts about the upcoming January meets, I thought I might try and stir things up. I’m looking specifically at the men’s Westminster vs Grove City meet next week. Not since the Longnecker era have the Grove City men beaten Westminster at a dual meet. Two years ago it could have gone either way – .01 second difference in the 4th and 5th place swimmers in the 200 Fly.

      Anyway I’ll make a bold prediction. This year the GCC men will prevail!! With Cressman, Whitbeck, Gilbert, Larsen and Courage all capable of getting firsts (as well the divers) it will be too much for Westminster, even with its better depth. I have noticed that the season best times for a rested Grove City team have generally been faster than a rested and tapered Westinster team. Any other thoughts out there?

    • #33617
      gccswimmer16
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      For the 16 event format, I believe that the 1000 free and the 200 IM are the default items, as well as the 200 medley relay and the 400 freestyle relay. If both coaches agree to do a different event which you mentioned, then that event can be swum. If only one coach wants to do a different event, it goes directly to the default stated above.

    • #33618

      @gccswimmer16 wrote:

      For the 16 event format, I believe that the 1000 free and the 200 IM are the default items, as well as the 200 medley relay and the 400 freestyle relay. If both coaches agree to do a different event which you mentioned, then that event can be swum. If only one coach wants to do a different event, it goes directly to the default stated above.

      Yep, that’s what the rulebook says (p. 135-136).

      The GCC/WC meet of next Tuesday……
      @weedwacker2000 wrote:

      Two years ago it could have gone either way – .01 second difference in the 4th and 5th place swimmers in the 200 Fly.

      That stat was described at the time as “enough to make a grown man cry.” I like to think of it as being balanced out by the 4th-5th finish in the 500. It’s more therapeutic that way…..or something.

      Anyway, I agree with weedwacker, I think Grove City has a clear shot to win this meet this year. Event winners vs. event depth is exactly why. I expect it will probably be within the margin of diving, but I think the Titans’ streak ends at 10 — a number, I might add, that is both amazing and impressive. It should produce a fantastic dynamic going into PACs.

      Feeling free to be wrong as always, here’s a hypothetical score-sheet “based” on reality:
      2MRel. GCC. GCC 1, WC 2-3 -> GCC 11-6
      1000 free. Cressman. GCC 1-3-5, WC 2-4 -> GCC 24-12
      2free. Courage. GCC 1-4, WC 2-3-5 -> GCC 35-20
      1bk. Smith. WC 1-2-3, GCC 4-5 -> GCC 38-36
      1br. Gilbert. GCC 1-5, WC 2-3-4 -> GCC 48-45
      2fl. Simpson. WC 1-2-4, GCC 3-5 -> WC 60-52
      50. Whitbeck. GCC 1-3-5, WC 2-4 -> WC 66-65
      1M. Riddell. GCC 1-2 -> GCC 78-66
      1free. Courage. GCC 1-3-5, WC 2-4 -> GCC 91-72
      2bk. Smith. WC 1-2-3, GCC 4-5 -> GCC 94-88
      2br. Lehberger. WC 1-3-4, GCC 2-5 -> WC 102-99
      500. Cressman. GCC 1-3, WC 2-4-5 -> GCC 111-109
      1fl. Larsen. GCC 1-3, WC 2-4-5 -> GCC 123-116
      3M. Riddell. GCC 1-2 -> GCC 136-116
      4IM. Cressman. GCC 1-4, WC 2-3-5 -> GCC 147-124
      4FRel. GCC. GCC 1-3, WC 2 -> GCC 160-128

      I tried giving the Titans the benefit of the doubt most of the time, but clearly something’s not right with this because there’s more than a 26-point margin left at the end. Hmmm. Oh well, I’m sure someone will tell me where it’s gone wrong!

    • #33619

      Thinking back to two year’s ago, I recall that GCC men won the 400MR by a tenth of a second. That reconfirms just how close that meet was. Similarly the other really close dual meet in recent history of PAC teams was the W&J/Westminster women from Nov. 2005.

      Anyway, thanks guys for the information about the default system and how it plays out when having a 16-event format.

      Just a comment or two about outside smoker’s analysis of the Jan. 16th meet. (Good analysis by the way). Seems like a lot is riding on Chip winning three events. He did it against some really good competition with CMU. We’ll have to see how he handles the pressure come Tuesday. The best to him!! Another thing – is Riddell in town? His first two years at GCC he missed one or two early January meets, presumably because he had not returned from France.

      I wish I could be there to see the meet. The best to all teams involved!! Should be a great meet!!

    • #33620

      My ignorance with the stupid quote system is all to obvious with that last mangled attempt. I was trying to quote from outside smoker’s remarks. Please, Mr. Moderator, explaing to me how quotes are done correctly.

    • #33621

      @weedwacker2000 wrote:

      My ignorance with the stupid quote system is all to obvious with that last mangled attempt. I was trying to quote from outside smoker’s remarks. Please, Mr. Moderator, explaing to me how quotes are done correctly.

      Not to worry. It’s fixed.

      For instructions, see below.

    • #33622
      Derek
      Member

      It should look like this:

      
      
      OutsideSmoker27 wrote:
      what he said
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