Can a fast team make me faster?

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Can a fast team make me faster?

Post by Tron Paul » Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:25 pm

So I was just trying to compare D3 teams to see if being on a faster team makes you improve more, the answer is: "a little bit." But its also fun to see how teams compare in terms of getting people faster and how fast they are. I used a team's measure of speed as "average over all top times for each tapered swim of the percent of the global top time in that event."

I also tried to see if the faster people on teams improved more than the slower swimmers. The answer is: "probably not."

Men: The top 20% of a team drops an average of -0.58% vs. -0.67% for the bottom 20% of a team. p-value=.03
Women: -0.42 vs. -0.40 p-value=.35
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Re: Can a fast team make me faster?

Post by ChadBroChill » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:12 pm

Interesting analysis, and definitely a relevant question for student-athletes looking for a d3 swim program.

Just a couple of questions - What range of years did you include in the analysis? When you refer to the 'global top time,' is that the best time in a specific event for d3 during a given season? Also, is improvement year-over-year improvement? or just improvement within a season?

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Re: Can a fast team make me faster?

Post by Tron Paul » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:34 pm


2011-2014 which are the only years usswimming has data for D3, it has D1/2 data bace to 2009. Its year to year improvement andI only used times swum after Feb 1 to try to get mostly taper times from a season. ... ow&Lang=en

The "global top time" is actually the best two year average over all divisions in a given event. This was just so I could compare across events. Power points are a better measure but I haven't gotten around to reverse engineering that formula yet.

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Re: Can a fast team make me faster?

Post by swimmerpong » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:09 pm

I think you are overanalyzing this. If you really "want" to be faster put in some work. Being on a team doesn't determine how well you do.

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