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2008 NCAA D3Swimming.com Recruit Class Rankings

Post by silentp » Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:48 pm

Thank you for everyone who has submitted information for this ranking. This is based on the scoring system established in the Recruits forum based on invite times from the previous year. This is not complete and I am still missing several teams, but lays out the foundation and hopefully encourages others to post their class or send them to me. I am not releasing the names at this time (mostly because I don't remember who gave me names or posted names or didn't want them posted, so its only fair).

1. Denison
3x5star
2x4star
2x3star
3x2star
** 1:59.75 200 IM, 1:01.47 100 Br
**** 52.37 100 Bk, 47.52 100 Fr
***** 52.24, 1:54.08bk. 22.36, 47.57fr.
**4:45.60 500 Fr, 4:17.99 400 IM
*** 16:24.44 1650, 4:13.72 400 IM
***52.84 100 Bk, 1:57.20 200 IM, 47 free
** 1:01.63 100 Br, 2:14.45 200 Br
*****1:41.80/4:37.18
**** 16:18.48 1650, 4:40.81 500
*****51.3 back

2. Kenyon
2x5star
2x4star
1x3star
***** 1:40.86, 46.8, 21.9, 436.4 fr, 1:55.75 im
*****57.77, 2:07.7 br, 1:57.9, 4:11.3 IM
****21.24, 46.77, 1:44.33, 4:47.15 fr
***52.9, 1:55.4 fl, 54.5, 158.0 bk, 147.2, 445.6, 1707 fr
**** 52.31, 157.35 bk, 51.42, 158.8 fl

3. Hope
1x4star
4x3star
4x2star
1x1star
****441/1607
***144/447
**147/452
**100 br/204 IM
**48 free, 54 back
***51.3
***- 52.6/156 flyer
**22.0/48.5
*** 156 IM, 1:00 breast
* 53.3 flyer


4. Washington and Lee
1x5star
2x3star
5x2star
2x1star

**4:50.02, 16:48.01, 4:26.12 (IM)
22.68, 49.68, 1:03.1 (BR), 2:18.6 (BR)
** 4:50, 16:41.21, 4:18 (IM)
** 21.91, 48.48, 1:00.2 & 2:14.29 (BR)
**4:53.88, 17:01.41, 1:59.49 (Fly)
* 22.7, 49.7, 53.55 (Fly)
*** 22.37, 48.56, 53.33 & 1:57.15 (BK), 1:59.10 (IM)
***** 1:42.8, 4:46, 1:54.0 (Fly)
* 53.7 (Fly), 56.3 (BK)
**22.14, 48.17, 1:46.84, 52.2 (Fly), 57.59 (BK)
* 22.57, 49.43, 53.0 & 2:06.16 (Fly), 2:03.68 (IM)
*** 2:00.57 & 4:10.09 (IM), 53.91 & 1:55.61 (back), 16:51.71

5. Amherst
1x4star
4x3star
1x2star
*** 1:47.00, 4:48.21fr. 54.41/1:57.22bk. 1:58.57, 4:14.82IM
***54.13 bk, 1:00.29/2:11.09br, 52.7fly, 22.3/48.7/1:48.4 fr, 1:58.09/4:15.90 IM
** 22.05/48.73
*** 59.52/2:10.78 br, 1:45.55 fr, 53.15 fly
**** 59.12/2:08.67
*** 4:44.53/16:25.31c fr, 1:58.34 IM

6. Grove City
1x4star
2x3star
2x2star
1x1star
1 good diver
**** 21.13 (24.07 meters)/ 47.07 / 1:44.51 / 4:47.99, 55.50 back, 52.34 fly, 2:02.12 IM
***- 21.80 / 47.70 / 1:45.58 / 4:48.07
***52.51/1:56.69 Fly
**22.64 / 49.34, 55.74 / 2:03.65 back, 1:01.15 / 2:14.11 breast, 54.09 / 2:02.22 fly, 1:58.46 IM
57.12 back
**55.18 back, 1:00.32 breast, 2:00.76 IM
diver - 243 1m (6), 350 (11)
*1:48, 4:21 IM
1:02 breast



7. Wash U
1x4star
2x3star
1x2star
2x1star
** 22.0, 47.8
***21.5, 47.5
***53.8 back, 1:56.2
**** 1:43.6, 4:38, 1:55.1 back, 1:55.5 fly
* 1:00.80 breast
*22.6, 49.1, 55.5 back, 1:58.4 IM
24/52 free
54 fly
1:05 breast
1:02.31/ 2:15.7 Breast, 26.18 50 LCM
5:15 500



8. Geneseo
3x3star
2x2star
3x1star
***59.04- 100 breastroke, 1:56.66- 200 IM
*** 21.68- 50 free, 100 free- 47.61
** 53.97- 100 back
*22.04- 50 free
** 4.45.04 - 500 free, 1.46.41- 200 free
*** 59.18- 100 breastroke, 2.00.70- 200 IM
* 4.49.74- 500 free, 2.01.80- 200 IM
* 53.39- 100 fly, 2.02.04 - 200 IM
55.91- 100 back, 2.03.84 - 200 IM
1.02.16 - 100 breast

9. UWSP
1x5star
1x3star
*** 51.71fly
***** 21.81fr. 52.94bk. 50.29, 1:59.87 fly

(Not complete, only know 2 people)

10. Kalamazoo
1x5star
2x2star
2x1star
*****1:54.2, 57.8
** 4:50, 2:00 IM
** 53/1:59 fly, 1:47/4:50
* 48.2
*1:01 breast
57 back
2:03 IM

Also, note the following:
Redlands
1x6star
******21.13, 45.35

Tufts
1x5star
*****20.85, 46.33

Plus UWSP... when we find out full classes for these teams, they are on the right foot to go much higher.

(Also, I'd like to do an article on the top team, but we'll see if Parini, at least at this time that's who it would be, is willing.)
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Re: 2009 NCAA D3Swimming.com Recruit Class Rankings

Post by JHU84 » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:02 pm

can you post the * criteria again
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Post by silentp » Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:34 am

JHU84 wrote:can you post the * criteria again
1 star is 1 swim at 95% of a 'B' cut
** 1 swim at 97% or 2 swims at 95%
*** 1 swim at 99% or 2 @ 97
**** One 'B' cut or 2 @ 99
***** one invite time or two b cuts
****** one 'A' cut or two invite times
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Post by silentp » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:53 am

**Update**

Thank you for everyone who has submitted information for this ranking. This is based on the scoring system established in the Recruits forum based on invite times from the previous year. This is not complete and I am still missing several teams, but lays out the foundation and hopefully encourages others to post their class or send them to me. I am not releasing the names at this time (mostly because I don't remember who gave me names or posted names or didn't want them posted, so its only fair).

1. Denison
3x5star
2x4star
2x3star
3x2star
** 1:59.75 200 IM, 1:01.47 100 Br
**** 52.37 100 Bk, 47.52 100 Fr
***** 52.24, 1:54.08bk. 22.36, 47.57fr.
**4:45.60 500 Fr, 4:17.99 400 IM
*** 16:24.44 1650, 4:13.72 400 IM
***52.84 100 Bk, 1:57.20 200 IM, 47 free
** 1:01.63 100 Br, 2:14.45 200 Br
*****1:41.80/4:37.18
**** 16:18.48 1650, 4:40.81 500
*****51.3 back

2. Kenyon
2x5star
2x4star
1x3star
***** 1:40.86, 46.8, 21.9, 436.4 fr, 1:55.75 im
*****57.77, 2:07.7 br, 1:57.9, 4:11.3 IM
****21.24, 46.77, 1:44.33, 4:47.15 fr
***52.9, 1:55.4 fl, 54.5, 158.0 bk, 147.2, 445.6, 1707 fr
**** 52.31, 157.35 bk, 51.42, 158.8 fl

3. Emory
1x4
6x3
1x2


****bryan jones 1:55.20 fly, 4:06.68 IM. also 159 bk, 52.5 fly, 157.3 IM
*** joel dobben 145.3/445.2
***jared dubnow 22.3/48.7/147.7, 53.07/156.7 bk
*** boyd jones 447.2/1647.1
*** patrick malone 53.06/157.7 bk, 158.3 IM, 146.6
*** Bed Redpath 21.96/48.08, 157.4 IM
*** Paul Weinstein 446.0/1625.0
** Zeke Van Keuren 21.64, 53/159 fly

4. Hope
1x4star
4x3star
4x2star
1x1star
****441/1607
***144/447
**147/452
**100 br/204 IM
**48 free, 54 back
***51.3
***- 52.6/156 flyer
**22.0/48.5
*** 156 IM, 1:00 breast
* 53.3 flyer


5. Washington and Lee
1x5star
2x3star
5x2star
2x1star

**4:50.02, 16:48.01, 4:26.12 (IM)
22.68, 49.68, 1:03.1 (BR), 2:18.6 (BR)
** 4:50, 16:41.21, 4:18 (IM)
** 21.91, 48.48, 1:00.2 & 2:14.29 (BR)
**4:53.88, 17:01.41, 1:59.49 (Fly)
* 22.7, 49.7, 53.55 (Fly)
*** 22.37, 48.56, 53.33 & 1:57.15 (BK), 1:59.10 (IM)
***** 1:42.8, 4:46, 1:54.0 (Fly)
* 53.7 (Fly), 56.3 (BK)
**22.14, 48.17, 1:46.84, 52.2 (Fly), 57.59 (BK)
* 22.57, 49.43, 53.0 & 2:06.16 (Fly), 2:03.68 (IM)
*** 2:00.57 & 4:10.09 (IM), 53.91 & 1:55.61 (back), 16:51.71

6. Amherst
1x4star
4x3star
1x2star
*** 1:47.00, 4:48.21fr. 54.41/1:57.22bk. 1:58.57, 4:14.82IM
***54.13 bk, 1:00.29/2:11.09br, 52.7fly, 22.3/48.7/1:48.4 fr, 1:58.09/4:15.90 IM
** 22.05/48.73
*** 59.52/2:10.78 br, 1:45.55 fr, 53.15 fly
**** 59.12/2:08.67
*** 4:44.53/16:25.31c fr, 1:58.34 IM

7. Grove City
1x4star
2x3star
2x2star
1x1star
1 good diver
**** 21.13 (24.07 meters)/ 47.07 / 1:44.51 / 4:47.99, 55.50 back, 52.34 fly, 2:02.12 IM
***- 21.80 / 47.70 / 1:45.58 / 4:48.07
***52.51/1:56.69 Fly
**22.64 / 49.34, 55.74 / 2:03.65 back, 1:01.15 / 2:14.11 breast, 54.09 / 2:02.22 fly, 1:58.46 IM
57.12 back
**55.18 back, 1:00.32 breast, 2:00.76 IM
diver - 243 1m (6), 350 (11)
*1:48, 4:21 IM
1:02 breast



8. Wash U
1x4star
2x3star
1x2star
2x1star
** 22.0, 47.8
***21.5, 47.5
***53.8 back, 1:56.2
**** 1:43.6, 4:38, 1:55.1 back, 1:55.5 fly
* 1:00.80 breast
*22.6, 49.1, 55.5 back, 1:58.4 IM
24/52 free
54 fly
1:05 breast
1:02.31/ 2:15.7 Breast, 26.18 50 LCM
5:15 500



9. Geneseo
3x3star
2x2star
3x1star
***59.04- 100 breastroke, 1:56.66- 200 IM
*** 21.68- 50 free, 100 free- 47.61
** 53.97- 100 back
*22.04- 50 free
** 4.45.04 - 500 free, 1.46.41- 200 free
*** 59.18- 100 breastroke, 2.00.70- 200 IM
* 4.49.74- 500 free, 2.01.80- 200 IM
* 53.39- 100 fly, 2.02.04 - 200 IM
55.91- 100 back, 2.03.84 - 200 IM
1.02.16 - 100 breast

10. UWSP
1x5star
1x3star
*** 51.71fly
***** 21.81fr. 52.94bk. 50.29, 1:59.87 fly

(Not complete, only know 2 people)

Also, note the following:
Redlands
1x6star
******21.13, 45.35

Tufts
1x5star
*****20.85, 46.33

Plus UWSP... when we find out full classes for these teams, they are on the right foot to go much higher.

(Also, I'd like to do an article on the top team, but we'll see if Parini, at least at this time that's who it would be, is willing.)[/quote]
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Re: 2009 NCAA D3Swimming.com Recruit Class Rankings

Post by Captain Insano » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:10 am

How exactly are we ranking them? If you multiplied it out, Hope has 25 points and is actually the second best class.

Note that I do think having 2 5 stars like Kenyon is better than any combination of 4, 3, 2, or 1 stars.

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Post by silentp » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:05 pm

Captain Insano wrote:How exactly are we ranking them? If you multiplied it out, Hope has 25 points and is actually the second best class.

Note that I do think having 2 5 stars like Kenyon is better than any combination of 4, 3, 2, or 1 stars.
It's an extremely long and drawn out formula... basically I try to take them objectively.

Sprinters, despite their low stars for the most part, are given some "mind weight" and top level recruits help a lot because they are the guys getting teams to nationals. After that, depth plays a big part (so lots of 3 stars or something) because of D3 attrition rates.
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Post by OutsideSmoker27 » Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:15 pm

Reading this
silentp wrote:It's an extremely long and drawn out formula... basically I try to take them objectively.

Sprinters, despite their low stars for the most part, are given some "mind weight" and top level recruits help a lot because they are the guys getting teams to nationals. After that, depth plays a big part (so lots of 3 stars or something) because of D3 attrition rates.
put me in mind of this
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Seriously though, I commend you for the thought and effort you put into this, p. I'm looking forward to seeing the final listings and then compare at the end of the season to see who lived up to potential and who were paper tigers.
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Re: 2009 NCAA D3Swimming.com Recruit Class Rankings

Post by babwik » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:41 am

Stevens Tech put together a class worth looking at. 18 guys, here's what I found:

Bagdon: 4:46fr
DiMiceli: 22.6
Iveson: 49/149fr
Laplant: 4:51fr/159bk
Nagle: 21.9/48.1fr
Rawson: 55/201fl
Silva: 23.0/50.4 fr
Smith: 145/451/1006fr 415im
Vealey 22.2/48.6
Wan 22.3/48.9
Watkins 21.6/46.7 (not sure what to make of him, went those times in 06, since then results are sparse and much slower. injury?)
Wismer 5:08fr

Not sure if this ranks nationally, but it sure helps conference level for depth. 18 freshmen, 6 returnees, pretty wide open team dynamic. They also brought in 14 girls to an extremely selective school. Must be some intensive recruiting effort there.

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Post by JHU84 » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:53 am

Hopkins got the sibling, patrick of this guy who went to harvard:

David Lynch
Year: Freshman
Position: IM/Back
Height: 5-10
Hometown: Webridge, England
High School: ACS Cobham
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Winner of 12 varsity letters, including four in swimming, four in cross country and four in track & field ... Two-time captain for swimming and cross country teams ... Holds multiple school records in swimming and cross country ... England Youth National Finalist four times ... AP Scholar ... National Honor Society.


Personal
Is a triplet ... Triplet brother, Patrick, is a member of the Johns Hopkins swimming and & diving team, and triplet sister, Jackie, is a swimmer at Pitzer College ... Older brother, Robert '10 is a junior on the Harvard swimming & diving team ... Another older brother, John, swam at Yale for four years and graduated in 2008.
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Post by babwik » Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:19 am

5 kids: Yale, Harvard, Harvard, Hopkins, Pitzer....

Nicely done Mr and Mrs Lynch

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Post by JHU84 » Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:21 am

can't find any times from british swimming websites
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Post by Psimon3 » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:18 pm

http://195.184.236.5/historic/index.php

Try there. Might have to play around with it a little.

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Post by JHU84 » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:08 pm

so maybe this sums up our ivy discussion too.

I am surprised that you can make the harvard swim team with these times


harvard guy Stroke david - Long Course Time
50m Freestyle 26.29
100m Freestyle 56.23
200m Freestyle 2:01.01
400m Freestyle 4:17.75
800m Freestyle 9:14.33
1500m Freestyle 17:30.37
200m Breaststroke 2:48.62
100m Butterfly 1:00.12
200m Butterfly 2:22.22
100m Backstroke 1:02.73
200m Backstroke 2:14.12
200m Individual Medley 2:14.22
400m Individual Medley 4:43.14

hopkins guy patrickStroke - Long Course Time
50m Freestyle 28.71
100m Freestyle 59.50
200m Freestyle 2:04.38
400m Freestyle 4:22.19
800m Freestyle 9:25.18
100m Breaststroke 1:14.41
200m Breaststroke 2:51.73
100m Butterfly 1:05.07
200m Butterfly 2:25.24
100m Backstroke 1:08.88
200m Backstroke 2:21.82
200m Individual Medley 2:19.27
400m Individual Medley 5:00.16
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Re: 2009 NCAA D3Swimming.com Recruit Class Rankings

Post by swammer02 » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:20 pm

clearly this family is full of smart kids who also swim. at harvard they have pool space so if you are willing to put in the work and not get in the way, you can swim---i would be surprised if this guy was even listed as a recruit for them.

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Post by Colbybr » Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:29 pm

Most Ivy League schools accept walk-ons who can make it into the school on their own academically. They do in fact have a lot of pool space and I'm sure this is what happened.
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