Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by My Spoon's Too Big! » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:17 pm

nemesis enforcer wrote:don't you need to use the fastest 4 times for an aggregate relay?
Is that a rule? If it is, I suppose it makes Emory's decisions a little easier.
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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by 3 6 Mafia » Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:16 pm

i learned today that O'Brien (Emory) is swimming the 5free and not the 2IM.

i believe he A cut the 2breast, so it might not affect ze list

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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by N Dynamite » Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:34 pm

My Spoon's Too Big! wrote:
nemesis enforcer wrote:don't you need to use the fastest 4 times for an aggregate relay?
Is that a rule? If it is, I suppose it makes Emory's decisions a little easier.
That's the rule - you have to submit your fastest time. Don't know who checks to make sure the aggregate is correct.
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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by nemesis enforcer » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:22 pm

3 6 Mafia wrote:i learned today that O'Brien (Emory) is swimming the 5free and not the 2IM.
is this a last ditch effort to try and squeeze Redpath into the 2IM, he was sitting near 23 on the March 1 list?
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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by Squirttle » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:52 pm

isn't the line going to be higher than 22.... not sure it helps much to pull O'brien out of the 200 IM in lieu of Redpath.

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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by nemesis enforcer » Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:44 pm

i always get very confused w/ the invitations, can someone explain how Upton(emory) q'ed in the 50? he looks pretty far down the list
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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by swim5599 » Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:48 pm

He was 23.7 LCm

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Post by nemesis enforcer » Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:52 pm

where did you find that? that makes more sense, i didn't see it at the UGA meet results and it's listed as 24.49 LC on the march 1 top times list
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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by My Spoon's Too Big! » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:25 pm

nemesis enforcer wrote:where did you find that? that makes more sense, i didn't see it at the UGA meet results and it's listed as 24.49 LC on the march 1 top times list
It's on the UGA Long Course meet results:
http://www.collegeswimming.com/results/13295/
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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by screeeeeeeeech » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:27 pm

Well, let me explain the Upton situation (I was there). He went a 23.77, but the clock started late because the timing system screwed up. Most likely he was around 24.0-24.2. Unfortunately, the timers were a bunch of volunteers and weren't really paying attention, so their watch times were way too slow and couldn't be counted on.
He swam again, leading off the 2Free relay in a time trial, and went a 24.4. It was really unfortunate and I feel for the kid, but that's what happened. So no, the 23.77 does NOT count.
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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by My Spoon's Too Big! » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:47 pm

OK, with Upton out of the meet, that puts Taylor Nelson from Luther back as the fastest Row 19 and he'll likely be in. It was also brought to my attention that I missed Dillon's prelim 100 back swim at NESCAC (49.), and that will push Kellen Beckwith into Row 19 and off the list. So now you can invite one more Row 19, and that would be Shawn Kircher in the 100 Free (with Beckwith close behind as first alternate).

Question: since Kircher is already in the meet as a relay-only swimmer, does this mean that a relay-only spot opens up, and now Emory has both spots for Frissell and Leemis? It would mean 141 individuals and 63 relay-onlys. I can't remember if there have been cases where this kind of thing has happened in the past.

Remember, folks, this is all very preliminary. I'm probably missing some swims here and there and haven't even compared my times to the March 1 top times list.
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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by Chris Knight » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:28 pm

How does it work when a swimmer enters in a SCM or LC B cut? Obviously with an A it * need to be converted b/c an A is an A. But all B cuts are not created equal as we know. Do the rules call for the times to be converted, and then inserted into the rankings? I've always wondered about this but I don't think I've ever seen a DIII swimmer actually enter in a non-SCY time before this occasion.

*Edit: doesn't need to be converted, that is.
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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by facenorth » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:37 pm

Spoon wrote:
It was also brought to my attention that I missed Dillon's prelim 100 back swim at NESCAC (49.)
This assumes that Dillon and his coach choose to do back to back events. Does swimming an extra 100 back in the morning hurt his chances for a National Title in the 200 Fly at night? Harrison Brown did the same double last year and scored in both. It'd be an interesting call. I don't think Middlebury needs him on 5 relays. He split 44.6 so the 100 free is a possibility on day 4, as is the 200 backstroke.

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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by adamcohen79 » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:05 pm

All times that are not short course yard times are adjusted. I can not remember right now if the coach does it or the computer does it. But Chris the times are converted using a formula set out in the NCAA book and then inserted into the list. There is also a formula for times that are made at altitude. I am not sure I understood your question about Kircher but if he was a relay only swimmer on your list it would open the spot up for another relay only swimmer. The way the NCAA does it is it seeds all the individual swimmers first until the cap is reached. Then it brings up all the relay swimmers until the cap is reached or adding one more relay sends it over the cap. If that happens then the last spot is given to the individual and another individual makes the meet. I think your last point is a good one nothing is official until Friday but thanks for trying to figure it all out.

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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by sagehen1 » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:26 pm

I think it's kind of stupid that you can qualify for Nationals with a LC time if you couldn't make it in a 25 yard pool. It's not a LC meet, after all, and everyone gets a shot at conference to swim fast in a SCY pool.

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