Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

What do you predict for nationals? Who is going to shine, who is not?

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Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by My Spoon's Too Big! » Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:53 pm

Hello everyone! It's good to be back after 11 months off.

I added the three meets from this past weekend to the existing top times, plus all the last-chance meets I could find. I then cut a few Kenyon swimmers to give them 18 swimmers and made some educated guesses as to what some multi-event-qualifying guys would swim. I have Row 18 and the top 2 Row 19ers making it individually, and Row 10 and Emory's Row 11 800 FR making it. Here's what I came up with (Ignore the order... it's not row-by-row):

Individual Qualifiers (141)
Mullee, Peter St. Thomas 50
Rood, Owen Tufts
Fleming, Craig Kalamazoo
Somers, David Kenyon
Bazzell, Brian Kalamazoo
Beeman, Schuyler Middlebury
Loch, Spencer UW La Crosse
Turk, Zachary Kenyon
Evans, Dan SUNY Cortland
Wampler, Ben Williams
Cook, John Depauw
Cummings, Luke MIT
Harp, Tyler Redlands
Larrimore, Cody Keene State
Olp, Matthew UW Stevens Point
Huls, Erik St. Thomas
Welsch, Aaron Hope
Mecray, Nathan Bowdoin
Fraser, Alex Amherst 100
Stewart-Bates, Ian Kenyon
Withington, Blair Kenyon
Pcholinski, Eric NYU
Ramsey, Curtis Kenyon
Libby, Matt Gettysburg
Thurston, Dan Denison 200
James, Ryan UCSC
DeGayner, Jordan Colorado College
Vernoia, Mike TCNJ
Rauchwarter, Sam St. Thomas
Bernstein, Mark Emory
Preston, Blake Kenyon
Weber, Blake CMS
Catlin, Andy Denison
Schultz, Michael Ohio Northern
Woodward, Michael Whitworth
Hamer, Eric UCSC
Beyer, Alex Washington Univ. 500
Borland, Kegan Kenyon
Lichtenfels, Ryan Amherst
Davis, Whitaker Gustavus Adolphus
Davis, Skylar Gustavus Adolphus
Roberson, Gary Williams
Vierra, Austin Denison
Winkler, Gates Carnegie Mellon
Miranda, Alex Trinity
Darling, Kalen Whitworth
Alders, Alec Redlands
Smith, Nathan Kenyon 1650
Altman-Kurosaki, J Carnegie Mellon
Weinstein, Paul Emory
Benham, Alex Stevens Institute
Wilson, Evan Stevens Institute
Grabijas, Josh Hope
Dobson, Michael MIT
Battles, Andrew Trinity
Olechnowicz, Frank Carnegie Mellon
Ellis, Paul Kalamazoo 100
Barry, Robert Denison
Thomas, John Johns Hopkins
Mpitsos, Michael Kenyon
Scholten, Max Pomona-Pitzer
Chapman, Jimmy Kenyon
Moorby, Scott Carnegie Mellon
DeSantis, Mike Denison
Walsh, Tim Conn College
Garr, Ryan Clark
Shanley, Jacob Kenyon
Kowalski, Jackson Puget Sound
Chabot, Kyle Denison
Dahlen, Jeffrey Carnegie Mellon
Sheerer, Chris Albright
Barczak, MJ Denison
Beckwith, Kellen Olivet
Bateman, Chris St. Olaf 200
Drake, Kyle Carthage
Woolston, Chris St. Lawrence
Washnock, Chris Washington & Lee
Romanov, Vladislav Staten Island
White, Tim Amherst
Stumbaugh, Tim MIT
Deveney, Brendan MIT
Grabiak, Tom Franklin & Marshall 100
Buyanov, Pavel Staten Island
O'Connor, Myles TCNJ
Lazarus, David Kenyon
Gladys, Colin Redlands
Diehl, Matthew UW La Crosse
Espinosa, Alfonso Kalamazoo
Racz, Rastislav MIT
Lewing, Jake Denison
Manning, Chris Kalamazoo
Ohning, Collin Kenyon
Yamada, Kevin Emory
Gutmann, Ben Westminster
Nitz, Jonathan Wheaton- IL
Clark, Jeff Misericordia
Rhinesmith, Evan Wabash
Bakk, Ian Kenyon
McBratney, Ben Amherst
Buck, Rory Whitworth 200
Gutmann, Ben Westminster
O'Brien, Peter Emory
Schwartz, Brent UW Stevens Point
Phillips, Michael Hartwick
Pettengill, Michael Luther
Day, Courtland Sewanee
Dillon, John Middlebury 100
Petroff, John Emory
Troy, Pat Conn College
Farmer, Ryan UW Stevens Point
Carruthers, Nat Kenyon
Rieniets, Dominic Linfield
Schranck, Doug Carthage
Boval, Brett MIT
Nelis, Ryan Hope
Rushlow, Mark Calvin
Anderson, Dalton UW Oshkosh
Pysnik, Joseph Kenyon 200
Huguenard, Doug Kenyon
DiMarco, Tom Emory
Medvecky, Tom TCNJ
Kozak, Michael illinois Wesleyan
Glaser-Garbrick, Dan Carnegie Mellon
Hu, John Stevens Institute
Flanagan, Michael Washington Univ.
Perry, Mackenzie Emory
Browning, Casey Denison
Horgan, Stuart Williams
Robbins, Spencer Luther
Charriez, Nick Kenyon
Birrer, David Wabash
Lybargar, Andrew WPI
Depew, Chris Redlands 200
Heyboer, Phil Hope 400
Dyrkacz, Paul Williams
Clendenin, Stephen Mary Washington
Hanson, Alex Carnegie Mellon
Corbett, Chris Williams
Minturn, Ken Emory
Nelson,Taylor Luther 20.89 50 free 19.85 1.0523
Spooner, Matt Emory 4:03.59 400 IM 3:51.45 1.0524 Now accepted
Kircher, Shawn TCNJ 45.91 100 free 43.6 1.0529 (In on relays)
Gatz, David Ohio Wesleyan 57.24 100 breast 54.27 1.0547
Pink, Ken SUNY Geneseo 2:05.56 200 breast 1:58.90 1.056
VanBiervliet, James TCNJ 51.31 100 back 48.52 1.0575 (In on relays)
Stirling, Brian Washington & Lee 50.36 100 fly 47.43 1.0617
Pai, Vincent CMS 1:53.78 200 IM 1:46.97 1.0636


Relay-Only (62)
Greiner Kalamazoo 200 MR
Zhou MIT
Urbellacker MIT
Edgin Denison
VanBiervliet TCNJ
Schneider TCNJ
Kircher TCNJ
Del Moro Tufts
Debbaut Tufts
Kinsella Tufts
Stark St. Thomas
Hoelterhoff St. Thomas
Schreiber UW Stevens Point
Clapp UW Stevens Point
Borden UW La Crosse
Knuesel UW La Crosse
Fitzgerald Amherst
Mueller Kalamazoo 400 MR
Davy UW Stevens Point
Ruch Hope
Huisingh Hope
Frost St. Thomas
Misener UW La Crosse
Vukich Middlebury
Armstrong Kalamazoo 200 FR
Divers Middlebury
Li Middlebury
Daly Middlebury
D'Ignazio Williams
Righi Williams
Baugh Depauw
Montgomery Depauw
Klabak Depauw
Testa Tufts
Jenkins Tufts
Knutson UW La Crosse
Bagley Denison
Krawchyk Denison
Golz UW Stevens Point
Homchick Amherst 400 FR
Treesh Williams
Floersch Redlands
Zaggy Redlands
Meyer Tufts
Altman Tufts
Colby Amherst 800 FR
Chen Denison
Katich Denison
Benmark Kalamazoo
Niemiec Johns Hopkins
Mahoney Johns Hopkins
Schmidt Johns Hopkins
Vieth Williams
Clark TCNJ
McNerney CMS
Cosentino CMS
Andron CMS
Anjur Washington Univ.
Minowitz Washington Univ.
Chao Washington Univ.
Leemis Emory
Frissell Emory
Hopkins needs 2, but we've reached 62, so accept one more individual
Johns Hopkins Thomas, Nam, Schmidt, Bulakul 3:23.87 3:15.58 1.0423
Washington Univ Beyer, Arteaga, Minowitz, Chao 3:04.02 2:56.22 1.0442
Depauw Klabak, Kukurugya, Runion, Cook 1:32.65 1:28.35 1.0486
TCNJ Schneider, Clark, O'Connor, Kircher 1:23.07 1:19.15 1.0495
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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by screeeeeeeeech » Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:12 pm

Not sure what this will do for your rankings, but Jared Dubnow of Emory did an LCM TT of the 100 back. The conversion comes out to 51.27 I'm pretty sure (NCAA conversion, not the collegeswimming.com one).
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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by silentp » Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:14 pm

screeeeeeeeech wrote:Not sure what this will do for your rankings, but Jared Dubnow of Emory did an LCM TT of the 100 back. The conversion comes out to 51.27 I'm pretty sure (NCAA conversion, not the collegeswimming.com one).
Wouldn't make it anyway.
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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by openwater » Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:43 pm

So IF THIS WERE true, here are the top teams from a numeric standpoint (individuals/relay only):
17 teams with enough swimmers to contest the relays (must be why they want to expand the RO swimmers next year).
Which teams will swim up this body-count ranking? Which will swim down?
Will any team without a relay presence be able to crack the top 17?

Kenyon 18/0
Denison 9/5
Emory 9/2
MIT 6/2
KZoo 5/4
Williams 5/4
Tufts 1/7 (talk about riding one horse and hogging the RO slots)
Amherst 4/3
Hope 4/2
Stevens Point 3/4
TCNJ 3/4
St. Thomas 3/3
Middlebury 2/4
La Crosse 2/4
Washington U. 2/3
JHU 1/3
CMS 1/3
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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by andrewpierson » Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:57 pm

MIT has two relay only swimmers on their 400 MR, also Upton from emory did a long coourse 50 free and qualified

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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by Sir Carl » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:26 pm

You're missing a few. In contrast to Tufts, Carnegie Mellon has 7 individual qualifiers, no RO. Redlands has 4/2, Depauw 1/3.
openwater wrote:Kenyon 18/0
Denison 9/5
Emory 9/2
MIT 6/2
KZoo 5/4
Williams 5/4
Tufts 1/7 (talk about riding one horse and hogging the RO slots)
Amherst 4/3
Carnegie Mellon 7/0
Redlands 4/2
Hope 4/2
Stevens Point 3/4
TCNJ 3/4
St. Thomas 3/3
Middlebury 2/4
La Crosse 2/4
Washington U. 2/3
JHU 1/3
CMS 1/3
Depauw 1/3
So do any non-relay teams crack the top 20? I don't think so.

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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by openwater » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:33 pm

andrewpierson wrote:MIT has two relay only swimmers on their 400 MR, also Upton from emory did a long coourse 50 free and qualified
Spoon - I believe that Andrew here is correct - need to add Rosenberg and Sepp from MIT. In this case the RO list fills exactly before the JHU relay that "needed 2". This would also mean that the last Emory swimmer doesn't get in as an individual. As SilentP said, the converted time in the 1Back (51.x) doesn't make.
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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by openwater » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:41 pm

Sir Carl wrote:You're missing a few. In contrast to Tufts, Carnegie Mellon has 7 individual qualifiers, no RO. Redlands has 4/2, Depauw 1/3.
openwater wrote:Kenyon 18/0
Denison 9/5
Emory 9/2
MIT 6/2 should be 6/4 I think
KZoo 5/4
Williams 5/4
Tufts 1/7 (talk about riding one horse and hogging the RO slots)
Amherst 4/3
Carnegie Mellon 7/0 reverse question - how do you have 7 individuals and no relays?
Redlands 4/2
Hope 4/2
Stevens Point 3/4
TCNJ 3/4
St. Thomas 3/3
Middlebury 2/4
La Crosse 2/4
Washington U. 2/3
JHU 1/3
CMS 1/3
Depauw 1/3
So do any non-relay teams crack the top 20? I don't think so.
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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by Sir Carl » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:46 pm

On second thought I could see CMS getting passed up by a number of teams, maybe Depauw. I think Staten Island beats Bateman unless he gets support from Olaf diver Strahely.

Most of the teams listed have at least one stud looking to score a lot of points individually.

Carnegie Mellon qualified most of their guys in the 500, 1650, and 4 IM. Generally not big events for relay swimmers.

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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by openwater » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:03 am

Sir Carl wrote: Carnegie Mellon qualified most of their guys in the 500, 1650, and 4 IM. Generally not big events for relay swimmers.
True but they have a pair of 100 Back qualifiers and its hard to believe that the IM qualifiers can't do a decent 100 Breast - they must be a fly stroke away from a 4Medley. They are close in the 800.
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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by Truthinswmng » Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:21 am

openwater wrote:
andrewpierson wrote:MIT has two relay only swimmers on their 400 MR, also Upton from emory did a long coourse 50 free and qualified
Spoon - I believe that Andrew here is correct - need to add Rosenberg and Sepp from MIT. In this case the RO list fills exactly before the JHU relay that "needed 2". This would also mean that the last Emory swimmer doesn't get in as an individual. As SilentP said, the converted time in the 1Back (51.x) doesn't make.
But emory 200 flyer jones would seem to be in, 1:52.5 at Georgia last chance.

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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by swim5599 » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:14 am

This used to be fun to argue and debate over. The suit last year just killed this. Hard to believe that Denison only has 9 individuals qualified. This meet will be over in a hurry.

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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by babwik » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:30 am

swim5599 wrote: This meet will be over in a hurry.
This meet is over as soon as Kenyon lands at the MSP airport. Remember a few years back when people were thinking KC could be knocked off? Never happening. Never. How boring.

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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by My Spoon's Too Big! » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:49 am

Thanks for the changes, guys. I forgot to change the MIT 400 MR line-up from midseason and overlooked some of those UGA Invite swims. Making the changes, add Jones and Upton from Emory to the individuals, and take out Nelson from Luther and Lybargar from RPI in the 50 Free and 200 Fly, respectively. Nathan Mecray from Bowdoin will still make it as the fastest Row 19 qualifier (in the 50 Free).

Adding the two MIT relay onlys means that we reach 62 guys through Row 10. Emory is the fastest Row 11 relay, but they need both Leemis and Frissell on it, which will exceed the cap and means one more individual spot will still be opened up for Matt Spooner in the 400 IM. So, in essence, Emory adds Upton and Jones, and loses Leemis and Frissell from my earlier list.

However, Emory is fielding an add-up relay with those two guys on it. If they really want either Leemis or Frissell at the meet over Spooner, they can take one of them off the relay and replace him with DiMarco (who's already in) and still easily be the fastest Row 11 relay. Possible combos and times:
Bernstein, O'Brien, Leemis, DiMarco: 6:48.10
Bernstein, O'Brien, Frissell, DiMarco: 6:48.44
Heck, they could even put Joel Dobben on it and still make the meet
Bernstein, O'Brien, Dobben, DiMarco: 6:48.83

It just depends on which one guy they want among Spooner, Leemis, Frissell, and Dobben.

It looks like there's a new top times list out today. Let me know if anything changes!

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Re: Men's Invited Swimmers as of 3/1/10

Post by nemesis enforcer » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:52 am

don't you need to use the fastest 4 times for an aggregate relay?
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