So why hasn't anyone scored out the psyche sheet?

What do you predict for nationals? Who is going to shine, who is not?

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Post by DonCheadle » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:22 pm

Eric Dunn from Kenyon, winner of the mile, was also 4:00 last year
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Post by OutsideSmoker27 » Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:24 am

I understand that Dunn made history last year by swimming a 4-minute mile.
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Post by N Dynamite » Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:27 am

2006 NCAA results wrote: 9 Dunn, Eric FR Kenyon 4:03.09 3:59.41 9
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Post by Chris Knight » Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:40 pm

Revised scored psych sheet:

1 - Denison 348
2 - Kenyon 317
3 - Emory 276
4 - Gustavus 267
5 - Williams 226
t6 - Hopkins 204
t6 - St. Olaf also 204
8 - W&L 197
9 - Grove City 154
10 - Middlebury 120.5
11 - Kalamazoo 116
12 - Santa Cruz 109
13 - Jersey 78
t14 - Coast Guard 76
t14 - MIT also 76
16 - Hope 71
17 - NYU 70
18 - Wash U 52
19 - Merchant Marine 51
20 - Carthage 48
21 - LaCrosse 46
22 - Steven's Point 45
23 - Carleton 35
t24 - Westminster 34
t24 - Redlands also 34
25 - DePauw 31
t26 - Wheaton (MA) 30
t26 - WPI also 30
28 - Amherst 24
29 - Case 18
30 - Union 14
t31 - Albion 13
t31 - Colby also 13
t33 - Linfield 11
t33 - Olivet also 11
t33 Mary Wash also 11
36 - Whittier 10
37 - Hamilton 7
t38 Conn. College 6
t38 Luther also 6
40 - Wheaton (IL) 5
41 - Wesleyan 3
t42 - Alfred 2
t42 - Geneseo also 2
t43 - Occidental 1
t43 - Tufts also 1
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Post by oldswimnfool » Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:50 pm

Chris - very nice job!!!

Out of the top 3 which teams do you see moving up and moving down. It would be interested to predict the top 25 teams...... and see how many you got right....

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Post by gccswimmer16 » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:39 pm

I didn't see CMU in your rankings, unless I missed it. Did you forget about them? Will that alter the points at all?
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Post by RadAGator » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:24 pm

I scored the diving based on the top scores posted thus far for 11 dives, including a few scores I looked up not listed on ncaasports.com.
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Post by RadAGator » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:25 pm

Which makes the team scores:

1 - Denison 348
2 - Kenyon 317
3 - Emory 276
4 - Gustavus 267
5 - Williams 226
6 - St. Olaf also 224
7 - Hopkins 204

8 - W&L 197
9 - Grove City 154
10 - Middlebury 134.5
11 - Kalamazoo 116
12 - Santa Cruz 109
13 - Jersey 78
t14 - Coast Guard 76
t14 - MIT also 76
16 - Hope 71
17 - NYU 70
18 - Occidental 60
19 - Wash U 52
20 - Merchant Marine 51
21 - Carthage 48
22 - LaCrosse 46
23 - Steven's Point 45
24 - Rowan 44
25 - SUNY Oswego 37
26 - RIT 37
27 - Carleton 35
t28 - Westminster 34
t28 - Redlands also 34
30 - DePauw 31
t31 - Wheaton (MA) 30
t31 - WPI also 30
32 - Amherst 28
33 - UW Oshkosh 26
34 - CMS 21
35 - Trinity (TX) 19
36 - Case 18
37 - Union 14
t38 - Albion 13
t38 - Colby also 13
40 - Olivet 12
t41 - Linfield 11
t41 - Mary Wash also 11
t41 - NY Cortland also 11
44 - Whittier 10
45 - SUNY Fredonia 8
46 - Hamilton 7
t47 Conn. College 6
t47 Luther also 6
t49 - Wheaton (IL) 5
t49 – also TCNJ 5
50 - RPI 4
51 - Wesleyan 3
t52 - Alfred 2
t52 - Geneseo also 2
54 - Tufts 1

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Post by Chris Knight » Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:34 am

gccswimmer16 wrote:I didn't see CMU in your rankings, unless I missed it. Did you forget about them? Will that alter the points at all?
I started by adding all the teams with relays, and then the rest. I guess I assumed that I'd already added CMU. I'll add them in later today. It will alter the standings a bit.
oldswimnfool wrote:Out of the top 3 which teams do you see moving up and moving down. It would be interested to predict the top 25 teams...... and see how many you got right....
Kenyon and Emory will definitely move up, and I see no reason why Denison HAS to move down. Their goal of winning with 9 guys is far from impossible, but certainly difficult. I also think my alma mater will turn some heads.
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Post by Chris Knight » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:06 pm

Okay, CMU's 800 relay is now 13th and their 400 is 16th. With Krzeminski's points, they have 44, which is t24. Hope, GCC, TCNJ, Westminster & Wash U each dropped a spot in one of those relays and therefore lost 2 points each.

1 - Denison 348
2 - Kenyon 317
3 - Emory 276
4 - Gustavus 267
5 - Williams 226
6 - St. Olaf 224
7 - Hopkins 204
8 - W&L 197
9 - Grove City 152
10 - Middlebury 134.5
11 - Kalamazoo 116
12 - Santa Cruz 109
t13 - Jersey 76
t13 - Coast Guard also 76
t13 - MIT also 76
16 - NYU 70
17 - Hope 69
18 - Occidental 60
19 - Merchant Marine 51
20 - Wash U 50
21 - Carthage 48
22 - LaCrosse 46
23 - Steven's Point 45
t24 - CMU 44
t24 - Rowan also 44
26 - SUNY Oswego 37
27 - RIT 37
28 - Carleton 35
29 - Redlands also 34
30 - Westminster 32
31 - DePauw 31
t32 - Wheaton (MA) 30
t32 - WPI also 30
34 - Amherst 28
35 - UW Oshkosh 26
36 - CMS 21
37 - Trinity (TX) 19
38 - Case 18
39 - Union 14
t40 - Albion 13
t40 - Colby also 13
42 - Olivet 12
t43 - Linfield 11
t43 - Mary Wash also 11
t43 - NY Cortland also 11
46 - Whittier 10
47 - SUNY Fredonia 8
48 - Hamilton 7
t49 Conn. College 6
t49 Luther also 6
t51 - Wheaton (IL) 5
t51 – also TCNJ 5
53 - RPI 4
54 - Wesleyan 3
t55 - Alfred 2
t55 - Geneseo also 2
57 - Tufts 1
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Post by weedwacker2000 » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:38 pm

I'm a little confused. Is there a more recent men's psyche sheet out which shows that CMU qualified a relay (presumably the 800)? Can someone get a link to that p.s. if it is out there?

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Post by Chris Knight » Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:27 pm

N Dynamite reported that CMU & USCGA got their relays in (http://www.d3swimming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3014), so I went with that assumption and plugged in CMU's times (Coast Guard was already entered in every relay so they didn't move in terms of medley seed).

I have not seen a revised psych sheet with CMU's relays on it, so it is just conjecture on my part. If they didn't get their relays in they (Krzeminski flying solo) have 34 (t29).
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Post by stokes » Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:39 pm

How about ranking teams by improvement over seed? Funny that these scores almost equal the sizes of the smiles on coaches faces (except Gustavus and Denison).

Teams are ranked by points improved / dropped (based on what Chris Knight scored) with ties going to the team with more points and teams getting shut out dropping to the bottom. Anyone look at % improvement? This meet seemed amazing.

1 - Kenyon 317 570 +253
2 - Williams 226 305 + 79
3 - Steven's Point 45 102 +57
4 - Emory 276 318 +42
5 - MIT 76 108 +32
7 - Westminster 34 57.5 +23.5
8 - Carthage 48 61 +13
9 - Wash U 52 63 +11
10 - Conn. College 6 11 +5
11 - Tufts 1 5 +4
12 - Denison 348 351 +3
13 - NYU 70 72 +2
14 - Whittier 10 12 +2
15 - Wabash 6 8 +2
16 - Wesleyan 3 5 +2
17 - Santa Cruz 109 110 +1
18 - Colby 13 14 +1
19 - Luther 6 7 +1
20 - Alfred 2 3 +1
21 - Hamline 0 1 +1
22 - Wheaton (MA) 30 30 +0
26 - WPI 30 27.5 -2.5
23 - Albion 13 9 -4
24 - Linfield 11 7 -4
25 - Mary Wash 11 5 -6
26 - Hamilton 7 1 -6
27 - Olivet 11 1 -10
28 - Jersey 78 67 -11
29 - Merchant Marine 51 40 -11
30 - Union 14 3 -11
31 - Case 18 5 -13
32 - Hope 71 53 -18
33 - DePauw 31 12 -19
34 - Amherst 24 2 -22
35 - Redlands 34 7 -27
36 - Hopkins 204 175 -29
37 - Grove City 154 118 -36
38 - Middlebury 120.5 79 -41.5
39 - Gustavus 267 225 -42
40 - St. Olaf also 204 161 -43
41 - Kalamazoo 116 66.5 -49.5
42 - W&L 197 145 -52
43 - Coast Guard 76 16 -60
44 - Geneseo 2 0 -2
45 - Wheaton (IL) 5 0 -5

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Post by openwater » Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:46 am

The previous post lists only 45 teams while the referred to Chris Knight post had scores for 57 teams - what happened to the other 12 (Carleton for example was a plus 1)?
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Post by nescacdad » Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:05 am

Impressive number of Kenyon swimmers who were seeded slower than 16th who ultimately swam in the championship finals. Williams had Norman Scott take 100 fly title despite being seeded 18th. Williams also had 3 of 5 relays break NESCAC records. Two of those records were on the books since 1999.

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