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Emory v. Denison

Postby Truthinswmng » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:21 am

Two teams. 18 swimmers each. Re-taper v. First Taper. Does it come down to the 400 FR?
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Re: Emory v. Denison

Postby screeeeeeeeech » Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:06 pm

Nope. Won't come down to the 4FR, although the meet will be close. Not having to retaper is a huge advantage to Emory that cannot be understated. I don't understand why Denison goes after their conference meet so hard every year, particularly in a year like this where they have a shot at 1st at NCAAs. Greg is obviously a great coach, but dropping your whole team a month before the show doesn't make much sense to me.
Honestly, I am almost salivating over how I think the Emory women will swim at NCAAs. There's been a ton of talk about their team already, particularly about how they had to cut people. I've been out of the loop for a couple years, but I'd put a lot of money on Jon having them ready to go in Knoxville.
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Re: Emory v. Denison

Postby babwik » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:53 am

I think Emory will kill them, and I don't think it has anything to do with Denison's conference meet strategy. Emory is just too stacked at the top. Denison was thrilled to get their last few qualifiers in, while Emory is leaving home about 5 women. Denison will have some awesome relays and some great moments, but Emory's depth is relentless, and will keep piling it on for 4 days.
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Re: Emory v. Denison

Postby silentp » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:38 am

The fight will be Denison vs Kenyon vs Williams for 2nd.
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Re: Emory v. Denison

Postby screeeeeeeeech » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:52 pm

Agree with Babwik. I wrote an article about this a couple of months ago when the Kenyon women were ranked 1st in the coaches' poll. Emory women have strength, speed and depth in almost every event. I don't think most people realize how nasty they really are, especially since most of the women haven't tapered since December (and even then a lot of them were on a short drop instead of a full taper).
The Emory women are going to swim absolutely lights out when they're finally let off the leash in Knoxville. It is going to be filthy.
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Re: Emory v. Denison

Postby wickedfoolish » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:05 pm

silentp wrote:The fight will be Denison vs Kenyon vs Williams for 2nd.



Kenyon and Amherst for 4th is what I see. Kenyon goes home wood-less?
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Re: Emory v. Denison

Postby silentp » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:27 pm

wickedfoolish wrote:
silentp wrote:The fight will be Denison vs Kenyon vs Williams for 2nd.



Kenyon and Amherst for 4th is what I see. Kenyon goes home wood-less?


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Re: Emory v. Denison

Postby N Dynamite » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:40 pm

I think he was saying Emory - Denison - Williams - Amherst - Kenyon, although I don't see the top four changing from last year except for possibly the order. I thought the same thing until I realized his post included everyone but the team he assumed would be first - Emory.
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Re: Emory v. Denison

Postby silentp » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:10 pm

N Dynamite wrote:I think he was saying Emory - Denison - Williams - Amherst - Kenyon, although I don't see the top four changing from last year except for possibly the order. I thought the same thing until I realized his post included everyone but the team he assumed would be first - Emory.


Ah, I misread. When I saw Amherst, I thought Williams. My bad. Yeah, I don't see Amherst keeping up with Kenyon. Amherst is good, but not great, they just happen to have a really great swimmer that makes them look better and helps relays. Also, the majority of top Kenyon women haven't rested since December.
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Re: Emory v. Denison

Postby imJumbo » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:23 pm

I think Williams women can beat out Dennison for the 2 spot. Just glancing at the psych sheet, Denison has a stronger breast, and back (although neither are fantastic at back) core, Williams has the stronger Fly, Distance Free, and IM, and the sprint free is a tossup. Denison has the better relays, but I think the "3 unit" advantage (of IM, Fly, Distance) will beat out the "2 unit" group of Denison. I think for Williams you can count on at least 115 Individual points from just Toddhunter and Wilson alone. Add in the fly and IM core, they could score over 200-220 individual points at the meet. Throw in the 150 or so from relays (so around 350-maybe 400) points at nats, that could be enough for 2nd.

I don't think Amherst can hold with Kenyon. They have Kendra, which is 60 individually, and they'll be able to get at least 100 points from relays. They have a few other swimmers who will probably make the consols, so maybe say another 50 individual points. So that's only a tad over 200 for a team. That, I don't think, will let them challenge Kenyon for 4th.

This is all without actually calculating things, just by looking at different event disparities.

My top 5 are:
1 Emory (they will run away with it)
2 Williams
3/4 Denison/Kenyon (tossup here, again I didn't really calculate things out)
5 Amherst
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Re: Emory v. Denison

Postby sweatyh20dad » Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:03 pm

I think this year's version of the Emory Eagles established themselves as one of the best, if not the best, D3 women's teams of all time with their repeat national championship. I don't know how you can compare era's, but they were overwhelming and relentless.

The Eagles were filthy good and took no prisoners. What an awesome display. The women from Atlanta were stacked from top to bottom, and left to right with no weaknesses.

Sure, some other teams might have a couple more superstars, but Emory's superior depth killed everyone else. Unfortunately, they might get overlooked by the result on the men's side.

This one was over early, a TKO and taken out on a stretcher.

186 point diffference? Are you kidding me? Denison and Williams had a boatload of talent.
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Re: Emory v. Denison

Postby Truthinswmng » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:45 am

sweatyh20dad wrote:I think this year's version of the Emory Eagles established themselves as one of the best, if not the best, D3 women's teams of all time with their repeat national championship. I don't know how you can compare era's, but they were overwhelming and relentless.

The Eagles were filthy good and took no prisoners. What an awesome display. The women from Atlanta were stacked from top to bottom, and left to right with no weaknesses.

Sure, some other teams might have a couple more superstars, but Emory's superior depth killed everyone else. Unfortunately, they might get overlooked by the result on the men's side.

This one was over early, a TKO and taken out on a stretcher.

186 point diffference? Are you kidding me? Denison and Williams had a boatload of talent.


Probably the high water mark? Emory hurt significantly by graduation, particularly in relays. Does the streak come to an end?
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Re: Emory v. Denison

Postby swimlong » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:18 pm

Probably the high water mark? Emory hurt significantly by graduation, particularly in relays. Does the streak come to an end?


Probably not, although it should be close. If you look at the entries by school, Emory has about 10 more qualified (top 13) individual swims. Might be too much for Denison to make up with optional individual entries and relays. Not sure how diving plays out.
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