MIACs 2018

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MIACs 2018

Postby Schiller » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:49 pm

Nice morning session. After a solid day from the GAC women yesterday, Thomas reasserted dominance this morning. 13 up 5 down is pretty good. GAC women got 8 up 7 down. The GAC men continue to hang tough, but will likely need more relay DQ type help to catch Thomas after Thomas put 15 up 2 down. Carleton had a nice morning 4 up 9 down. Hamline with 5 up 4 down is the best session I can remember from them. John's has a decent point total this morning, but it's mostly on a ton of entries. They have 2 up 14 down tonight. Women's 3 meter not included in any of this as the results aren't up yet.

Prelims day 2 scored out:
Men
1. St. Thomas: 241
2. Gustavus: 192
3. Carleton: 97.5
4. St. John's: 93
5. Hamline: 74.5
6. St. Olaf: 62
7. Saint Mary's MN: 15
Women
1. St. Thomas: 244
2. Gustavus: 147
3. St. Olaf: 95
4. Carleton: 83
5. Saint Benedict: 80
6. St. Catherine: 67
7. Macalester: 32
8. Hamline: 17
9. Concordia: 10

Up Downs:
Men
St. Thomas Up:15 Down:2
Gustavus Up:10 Down:8
Hamline Up:5 Down:4
Carleton Up:4 Down:9
St. Olaf Up:3 Down:3
St. John's Up:2 Down:14
Saint Mary's MN Up:1 Down:0
Women
St. Thomas Up:13 Down:5
Gustavus Up:8 Down:7
St. Olaf Up:5 Down:2
Saint Benedict Up:4 Down:8
St. Catherine Up:4 Down:4
Carleton Up:3 Down:9
Macalester Up:2 Down:3
Hamline Up:1 Down:0
Concordia Up:0 Down:2

Scored prelims+real scores from yesterday:
Men
1. St. Thomas: 502
2. Gustavus: 424
3. St John's 214
4. Carleton: 204.5
5. St. Olaf: 196
6. Hamline: 160.5
7. Macalester: 64
8. Saint Mary': 48

Women
1. St. Thomas: 459
2. Gustavus: 347
3. St. Olaf: 226
4. Carleton: 185
5. St. Catherine: 160
6. Saint Benedict: 159
7. Macalester: 89
8. Hamline: 73
9. Concordia: 50
10. Saint Mary': 26
11. Augsburg: 26
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Re: MIACs 2018

Postby Schiller » Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:18 pm

Caught some of the webcast this morning. Top notch commentary. (Sounded like Team Analysis to me). Thomas really dominated this morning. 16 up 0 down is insane. Carleton vs Olaf vs Johns men tonight should be exciting. Prelims scores plus scores as of yesterday has it at Johns 343.5 Olaf 331 Carleton 328.5. Relays, 1650 and diving unaccounted for in that number. Olaf has a diver who was 4th on the 1 meter. John's divers were 8th and 12th. The mile advantage goes to Carleton. They have 5 milers to Olaf's 3 and John's 1 on the psych sheet (will Pelitus swim the odd 50-100-1650 combo?). Johns has the most swims tonight but 11 of their 12 swims that made it back are in the B final. Carleton is 3 up 6 down. Olaf is 4 up 3 down. Should be exciting. I can't remember an afternoon mile session with this much impact on the standings.

Biwer and Strauss should be shoe ins for swimmer of the meet if everything goes to plan tonight. However we've seen the MIAC mess up that award before. If Sonnek goes well under 2 minutes tonight, he might pull it out on the strength of people forgetting his second place on day 1 in a non B cut.

Scored out prelims no diving, no 1650, women are without the 200 fly because the live results don't include the 200 fly and so my program can't get at all the results:
Men
1. St. Thomas: 232.5
2. Gustavus: 129.0
3. Carleton: 73.5
4. St. Olaf: 72.0
5. St. John's: 68.0
6. Hamline: 36.0
7. Saint Mary's MN: 9.0
Women
1. Gustavus: 124.0
2. St. Thomas: 120.0
3. Carleton: 61.0
4. Saint Benedict: 43.5
5. St. Catherine: 40.0
6. St. Olaf: 39.0
7. Hamline: 25.0
8. Macalester: 6.0
9. Concordia: 5.5
10. Augsburg: 1.0
Men
St. Thomas Up:16 Down:0
Gustavus Up:6 Down:7
St. Olaf Up:4 Down:3
Carleton Up:3 Down:6
Hamline Up:2 Down:4
St. John's Up:1 Down:11
Saint Mary's MN Up:0 Down:1
Women
St. Thomas Up:8 Down:0
Gustavus Up:7 Down:5
St. Olaf Up:3 Down:0
Carleton Up:2 Down:4
St. Catherine Up:2 Down:2
Saint Benedict Up:1 Down:7
Hamline Up:1 Down:1
Macalester Up:0 Down:2
Concordia Up:0 Down:2
Augsburg Up:0 Down:1

This morning plus real scores from last 2 days:
Men
1. St. Thomas: 815.5
2. Gustavus: 617.0
3. St John's 343.5
4. St. Olaf: 331.0
5. Carleton: 328.5
6. Hamline: 255.0
7. Macalester: 108.0
8. Saint Mary': 105.0

Women
1. St. Thomas: 678.0
2. Gustavus: 553.0
3. St. Olaf: 361.0
4. Carleton: 307.0
5. St. Catherine: 279.0
6. Saint Benedict: 275.5
7. Macalester: 154.0
8. Hamline: 149.0
9. Concordia: 97.5
10. Saint Mary': 58.0
11. Augsburg: 53.0
12. Saint Mary's MN: 3.0


One other note. The MIAC records on the heat sheets this weekend have been often incorrect, mostly because they are out of date. One record was wrong in a different way. The record in the 200 breast is listed at 1:58.86. The commenter on the webcast noticed that this seemed off. I agree. The real record is 1:58.98. 1:58.86 is listed as the record on the official MIAC page
http://miacathletics.com/sports/mswimdive/recordbook

Evidence against this as the record:
1)Olaf doesn't recognize it
http://athletics.stolaf.edu/sports/2015 ... spx?id=469
2)Olaf didn't swim a meet on 12/21/08, the date the heat sheet claims this happened (4 days before christmas? cmon.)
https://www.collegeswimming.com/team/12 ... =2008-2009)
3)The real record did happen around that time. It's a typo
https://www.collegeswimming.com/results/9570/event/28/
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Re: MIACs 2018

Postby Dmitri I. Mendeleev » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:28 am

All in all a great meet.
I'd love to see a taper analysis - but sadly lack either the brain, time, or excel prowess to make it happen.

Seems like GAC swam pretty lights-out - they always seem to have a monstrous taper. Women were much closer than I was expecting in relation to UST.

UST v GAC cheer-off. Gotta say: highlight of the meet. It was like I was watching "Bring It On" real-time. Did not disappoint. Seeing the wind knocked out of UST's sails as they lost both the men's and women's 1650 was a sight. Not to mess with them too much, but you gotta cheer for your teammates...even when they aren't winning anymore in a race. Personally, seeing the entire team and their fans as crickets in the pool when Christianson overtook Boerner was just bad form.

Hamline Men's coach Ryan Hawke wins Coach of the Year. That was well-deserved. Hamline men swam a great meet. For that matter Martinek and White on the women's side also had great meets.

Zook in his first season at St. Kate's wins Women's Coach of the Year alongside JC from GAC. Word on the street is that Zook is bringing in an amazing freshman class next year. They might be a team to watch out for in a few years.

Carleton seemed to have an off meet on the women's side. Mather swam fast, but not near as fast as last year.

UST 4-peat on Men's and 3-peat on Women's. They seem untouchable. But, did their top tier swimmers really improve that much overall? They are losing Biwer and Melton and Grabowski. Molitor and Herrli are also some bigger losses on the women's side. Wonder about their recruits for next year. Maybe it won't be such a runaway next year?
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Re: MIACs 2018

Postby Schiller » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:46 pm

Fun meet this year. I believe that this is the first time the Carleton men have ever beaten Olaf at conference (Carleton only re joined the MIAC in 1983).

No arguments on Swimmer of the Year/Coach of the Year picks from me.

Might do some improvements data at some point. For now here's a big pile of scoring/performance stats on the meet. One thing that jumped out at me Olaf and Carleton 0 senior points. Returning individual swimming points Thomas men 429, GAC men 572.5. Granted, Thomas returns those points with about 8 seniors (and therefore 8 roster spots open) to GAC's 1 senior (and therefore only 1 open roster spot for new swimmers), but maybe we'll see a challenge next year.

Scores

Men
1. St. Thomas: 908.0
2. Gustavus: 759.5
3. St Johns 398
4. Carleton: 390.5
5. St. Olaf: 388.0
6. Hamline: 317.0
7. Macalester: 144.0
8. Saint Mary': 129.0
Women
1. St. Thomas: 867
2. Gustavus: 657
3. St. Olaf: 492
4. Carleton: 360.5
5. St. Catherine: 356
6. Saint Benedict: 342.5
7. Macalester: 209
8. Hamline: 167
9. Concordia: 117
10. Saint Mary': 76
11. Augsburg: 69

Up downs do not include relays

Men
St. Thomas Up:45 Down:10
Gustavus Up:31 Down:22
St. Olaf Up:13 Down:9
Carleton Up:11 Down:23
Hamline Up:11 Down:11
St. John's Up:6 Down:34
Macalester Up:2 Down:0
Saint Mary's MN Up:1 Down:2

Women
St. Thomas Up:38 Down:12
Gustavus Up:25 Down:26
St. Olaf Up:19 Down:6
Carleton Up:9 Down:23
Macalester Up:5 Down:9
Hamline Up:3 Down:2
St. Catherine Up:11 Down:14
Saint Benedict Up:10 Down:20
Concordia Up:0 Down:5
Saint Mary's MN Up:0 Down:2
Augsburg Up:0 Down:1

Score progression
Men
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Women
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Individual Points Breakdown (power are swimulator power points, a cross event metric of swim quality) (some swimmers names weren't consistent for the whole meet so their events appear on separate lines. For example, Biwer appears as "Biwer, Bailey" and "Bailey Biwer." Not sure why the live results did this, but I'm too lazy to correct them all manually. This also happens when a swimmer appears sometimes with a class year designation (SO, JR FR SR) and sometimes without)
Men
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Women
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Individual Points by Year (the point in the blanks are from swimmers whose year in school wasn't listed on the live results)
Men
St. Thomas
FR 127
SO 156
JR 146
SR 319
Gustavus
FR 163
SO 201.5
JR 208
SR 17
St. John's
FR 87
SO 71
JR 23
SR 61
Carleton
FR 103
SO 120
JR 23.5
SR 0
St. Olaf
FR 52
SO 69
JR 111
SR 0
Hamline
FR 84
SO 0
JR 27
SR 68
Macalester
FR 30
SO 0
JR 0
SR 0
Saint Mary's MN
FR 24
SO 0
JR 0
SR 0
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Women
St. Thomas
FR 103
SO 170
JR 298
SR 102
Gustavus
FR 149
SO 71
JR 145
SR 120
St. Olaf
FR 99.5
SO 111.5
JR 81
SR 40
Carleton
FR 41
SO 66
JR 88.5
SR 47
St. Catherine
FR 108
SO 12
JR 54
SR 42
Saint Benedict
FR 23
SO 98.5
JR 22
SR 59
Macalester
FR 14
SO 53
JR 0
SR 28
Hamline
FR 0
SO 5
JR 50
SR 0
Concordia
FR 8
SO 0
JR 7
SR 0
0

Saint Mary's
FR 0
SO 0
JR 6
SR 0
0
Augsburg
FR 0
SO 0
JR 0
SR 0
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Points in each event
Men
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Women
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Number of times they got each place individually
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Women
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Re: MIACs 2018

Postby mcphee » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:32 pm

One Quibble:

Zook absolutely did not deserve coach of the year. A great team, and a killer recruiting class -- no doubt. A good taper, and a fired up group...
BUT

Check out Friday's results. In the 200 Free:

McKenna Peterson -- 2:00.8 in the morning, 2:08.0 in finals (16th), 1:59.1 in the relay
Sydney Grohman -- 1:57.5 in the morning, 2:04.0 in finals (8th), 1:57.4 in the relay

Those finals performances are bad faith swims, no doubt about it. (Peterson was out two seconds faster than that in her mile the next day.) Trashing evening swims because you know the points are locked isn't strategy -- it's just terrible sportsmanship, and demonstrates an inexcusable lack of integrity that disqualifies him from an otherwise well-deserved award.
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Re: MIACs 2018

Postby mcphee » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:36 pm

Also! wow wow --

Not only does Carleton have 0 senior points, only 23.5 (lol tying the mile) points came from Juniors (Greenvall // Battiste). Which means they've got two more years before they have to think about losing any firepower at all...
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Re: MIACs 2018

Postby Team Analysis » Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:01 pm

mcphee wrote:One Quibble:

Zook absolutely did not deserve coach of the year. A great team, and a killer recruiting class -- no doubt. A good taper, and a fired up group...
BUT

Check out Friday's results. In the 200 Free:

McKenna Peterson -- 2:00.8 in the morning, 2:08.0 in finals (16th), 1:59.1 in the relay
Sydney Grohman -- 1:57.5 in the morning, 2:04.0 in finals (8th), 1:57.4 in the relay

Those finals performances are bad faith swims, no doubt about it. (Peterson was out two seconds faster than that in her mile the next day.) Trashing evening swims because you know the points are locked isn't strategy -- it's just terrible sportsmanship, and demonstrates an inexcusable lack of integrity that disqualifies him from an otherwise well-deserved award.


Some great posts, mcphee!

Interesting point, and one that I hadn't noticed at all. Good spot! I feel that's a bad coaching decision (pointwise, and it's not like the relay had a chance for Nats). I'm not sure what my feelings are about the honest effort rule. You could argue that they were putting in their maximal effort across the meet, and this was sort of their pacing strategy, like cruising prelims. But that doesn't completely hold up here, as they clearly didn't have an honest effort for the 200 free as an event. I'd be interested to hear what others think about the honest effort rule.
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Re: MIACs 2018

Postby TheTightSpeedo » Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:36 am

Pelutis from Olaf did the 50/100/1650 combo because he came back from a broken hand. Had he not have broken his hand, or if Collin Nill came back, Olaf would have beaten both Carleton and St. Johns

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Re: MIACs 2018

Postby Team Analysis » Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:26 pm

TheTightSpeedo wrote:Pelutis from Olaf did the 50/100/1650 combo because he came back from a broken hand. Had he not have broken his hand, or if Collin Nill came back, Olaf would have beaten both Carleton and St. Johns

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Well that explains Pelutis' meet!

Why didn't Nill swim? Did he leave St. Olaf?
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Re: MIACs 2018

Postby TheTightSpeedo » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:27 pm

Team Analysis wrote:
TheTightSpeedo wrote:Pelutis from Olaf did the 50/100/1650 combo because he came back from a broken hand. Had he not have broken his hand, or if Collin Nill came back, Olaf would have beaten both Carleton and St. Johns

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Well that explains Pelutis' meet!

Why didn't Nill swim? Did he leave St. Olaf?


He's still at Olaf, just seemingly was having difficulties outside of the pool that hindered him in the pool.
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