NESCAC Recruiting Classes of 2022

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Re: NESCAC Recruiting Classes of 2022

Postby lawnmower15 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:02 pm

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neZZZcac wrote:
Heard Adl was transferring out of Conn somewhere outside the NESCAC.


Reposting (Feb '18) this because of the Camel discussion. Anyone confirmed this? 3 event "A" finalist as a frosh


Even if Conn doesn't have Adl they still have Nussbaum who's just as good in the 1000 and close in the 500. And if Adl is staying, I would guess that he would be swimming the 100/200/500 (46.46/1:39.83/4:34.80) free full-time because Conn just brought in a duo of semi-decent distance swimmers (Franco, Beucler) and would potentially let Adl do what he's actually good at. On USA swimming, it shows that Adl never even swam the 1000 before college, I would've put him in the 100 at NESCAC's, even with only a 46.46, he went 45.12 off a relay setting Conn's best 100 free split all year, beating Tilneac. But time will tell.
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Re: NESCAC Recruiting Classes of 2022

Postby polarbear » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:34 pm

I love your optimism but losing him would be a big hit -- very few if any NESCAC teams can lose someone who goes 1:39 / 4:34 / 9:34 and splits 20.7 / :45.1 and not feel it. And 8 of the 18 men on last year's roster were seniors so they would need a MEGA class to replace what they were already losing.
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Re: NESCAC Recruiting Classes of 2022

Postby RetiredJet » Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:09 pm

lawnmower15 wrote:
Borg wrote:
neZZZcac wrote:
Heard Adl was transferring out of Conn somewhere outside the NESCAC.


Reposting (Feb '18) this because of the Camel discussion. Anyone confirmed this? 3 event "A" finalist as a frosh


Even if Conn doesn't have Adl they still have Nussbaum who's just as good in the 1000 and close in the 500. And if Adl is staying, I would guess that he would be swimming the 100/200/500 (46.46/1:39.83/4:34.80) free full-time because Conn just brought in a duo of semi-decent distance swimmers (Franco, Beucler) and would potentially let Adl do what he's actually good at. On USA swimming, it shows that Adl never even swam the 1000 before college, I would've put him in the 100 at NESCAC's, even with only a 46.46, he went 45.12 off a relay setting Conn's best 100 free split all year, beating Tilneac. But time will tell.


I would also be hesitant to take an A final swimmer out of an A final event. I know Adl has some serious range but you've got arguably the best guys in the conference swimming the 100 so I think he would struggle to push them like he could in the 1000. Conn has some good guys (according to college swimming) but I'm not sure Franco and Beucler (who are B-C finalists as of right now) give me a lot of confidence. I would agree with polarbear that a lot of what he swims will depend on who they bring in cause they are losing a lot of seniors and coach B might need to have people swim events where he knows they can be an A final swimmer
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Re: NESCAC Recruiting Classes of 2022

Postby Borg » Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:28 pm

lawnmower15 wrote:lso from what I hear Conn has no ED's yet or commits for 2023. Anyone know anything about that?
Without trying to guess why students are applying (or not) to certain colleges, Conn College has some unusual data points.
In an era when most schools strive for gender balance (50/50), Conn College' 2017 admissions had a 63% female 37% male representation with 1000 less male applicants. Interestingly, the admissions rate for their male applicants is slightly less than for the women despite what is likely an institutional goal of improving gender balance. Either Conn just doesn't care about balance or the academic qualifications of many male applicants are just not high enough.
True Conn College was once an all-female college but decades have passed ...and the most recent 5 year trend shows an expanding female enrollment( from 60% to 63%) with approximately +450 women on campus.
We know a higher number of women apply to colleges and we also know women are more academically proficient than knuckle head guys....but the Conn College disparity is glaring, especially when compared to all other NESCAC members

Could Conn reverse this trend by simply initiating a football program?
Trinity Football shows 77 men on this year's roster.
How many others discontinued their football "career" after arriving at Trinity? (dozens and dozens)
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Re: NESCAC Recruiting Classes of 2022

Postby polarbear » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:53 am

Borg wrote:
lawnmower15 wrote:lso from what I hear Conn has no ED's yet or commits for 2023. Anyone know anything about that?
Without trying to guess why students are applying (or not) to certain colleges, Conn College has some unusual data points.
In an era when most schools strive for gender balance (50/50), Conn College' 2017 admissions had a 63% female 37% male representation with 1000 less male applicants. Interestingly, the admissions rate for their male applicants is slightly less than for the women despite what is likely an institutional goal of improving gender balance. Either Conn just doesn't care about balance or the academic qualifications of many male applicants are just not high enough.
True Conn College was once an all-female college but decades have passed ...and the most recent 5 year trend shows an expanding female enrollment( from 60% to 63%) with approximately +450 women on campus.
We know a higher number of women apply to colleges and we also know women are more academically proficient than knuckle head guys....but the Conn College disparity is glaring, especially when compared to all other NESCAC members

Could Conn reverse this trend by simply initiating a football program?
Trinity Football shows 77 men on this year's roster.
How many others discontinued their football "career" after arriving at Trinity? (dozens and dozens)


I think you hit on the major factors -- the big one of course being that boys are WAY underperforming girls right now. I know the breakdown at other NESCAC schools is 50/50 but there is a definite admissions difference between the two at a lot of places. Perhaps parents who remember Conn as a women's college also have some influence.

Adding football would be a disaster for athletics, admissions, and finances -- but perhaps it would make the Polar Bears look better . . . .
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Re: NESCAC Recruiting Classes of 2022

Postby Borg » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:51 am

polarbear wrote:Adding football would be a disaster for athletics, admissions, and finances -- but perhaps it would make the Polar Bears look better . . . .

Can you expand on this statement?
I get the finances issue. Football is incredibly expensive to fund and Conn Coll is up against it financially.

Regarding admissions, can it get worse by adding football? I guess it would come down to what the Trustees value / fear most: Maintaining the highest academic standards for admissions possible / evolving into the newest member of the Seven Sisters Consortium of Colleges. One could argue adding football will only temporarily effect admissions

Why a disaster for athletics? Because lowering the admissions bar to attract football players will negatively impact other sports' recruiting leeway?

Maybe Conn College's solution might be to introduce/expand curriculums that attract more male applicants....STEM, Digital technology, etc. From what I know, CC is known for their Psychology department which attracts a greater proportion of women.
There are solutions to reverse this trend....is CC simply paralyzed financially?

Regarding CBB football....what's going on up there in Maine? :)

Anyway....sorry to take this thread so off topic
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Re: NESCAC Recruiting Classes of 2022

Postby polarbear » Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:20 am

Borg wrote:
polarbear wrote:Adding football would be a disaster for athletics, admissions, and finances -- but perhaps it would make the Polar Bears look better . . . .

Can you expand on this statement?
I get the finances issue. Football is incredibly expensive to fund and Conn Coll is up against it financially.

Regarding admissions, can it get worse by adding football? I guess it would come down to what the Trustees value / fear most: Maintaining the highest academic standards for admissions possible / evolving into the newest member of the Seven Sisters Consortium of Colleges. One could argue adding football will only temporarily effect admissions

Why a disaster for athletics? Because lowering the admissions bar to attract football players will negatively impact other sports' recruiting leeway?

Maybe Conn College's solution might be to introduce/expand curriculums that attract more male applicants....STEM, Digital technology, etc. From what I know, CC is known for their Psychology department which attracts a greater proportion of women.
There are solutions to reverse this trend....is CC simply paralyzed financially?

Regarding CBB football....what's going on up there in Maine? :)

Anyway....sorry to take this thread so off topic


I think you hit my intent pretty well -- financially it would be tough for them and admissions wise it would allow (almost force) another 11 C bands if they follow the NESCAC manual. Athletically it would take resources away from other sports -- financially to pay for the most expensive and largest coaching staff in the department as well as equipment; office space from other coaches; already limited field space; publicity / sports information time and dollars. Remember, this is the school that balked at paying for an additional touch pad for the NESCAC championships and has the lowest endowment in the NESCAC by far at $290M (the 2d lowest, Bates, is on an all out assault to raise theirs). I admire their ability to stay on budget when so many of their brethren cannot, but it seems like adding football would not be prudent. Bowdoin will spend $712,000 on its football program this year -- I think Conn could find a better use for a similar amount of money.
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Re: NESCAC Recruiting Classes of 2022

Postby RetiredJet » Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:37 am

polarbear wrote:
Borg wrote:
polarbear wrote:Adding football would be a disaster for athletics, admissions, and finances -- but perhaps it would make the Polar Bears look better . . . .

Can you expand on this statement?
I get the finances issue. Football is incredibly expensive to fund and Conn Coll is up against it financially.

Regarding admissions, can it get worse by adding football? I guess it would come down to what the Trustees value / fear most: Maintaining the highest academic standards for admissions possible / evolving into the newest member of the Seven Sisters Consortium of Colleges. One could argue adding football will only temporarily effect admissions

Why a disaster for athletics? Because lowering the admissions bar to attract football players will negatively impact other sports' recruiting leeway?

Maybe Conn College's solution might be to introduce/expand curriculums that attract more male applicants....STEM, Digital technology, etc. From what I know, CC is known for their Psychology department which attracts a greater proportion of women.
There are solutions to reverse this trend....is CC simply paralyzed financially?

Regarding CBB football....what's going on up there in Maine? :)

Anyway....sorry to take this thread so off topic


I think you hit my intent pretty well -- financially it would be tough for them and admissions wise it would allow (almost force) another 11 C bands if they follow the NESCAC manual. Athletically it would take resources away from other sports -- financially to pay for the most expensive and largest coaching staff in the department as well as equipment; office space from other coaches; already limited field space; publicity / sports information time and dollars. Remember, this is the school that balked at paying for an additional touch pad for the NESCAC championships and has the lowest endowment in the NESCAC by far at $290M (the 2d lowest, Bates, is on an all out assault to raise theirs). I admire their ability to stay on budget when so many of their brethren cannot, but it seems like adding football would not be prudent. Bowdoin will spend $712,000 on its football program this year -- I think Conn could find a better use for a similar amount of money.


They could probably use it to higher a diving coach :D
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Re: NESCAC Recruiting Classes of 2022

Postby purpleandwhite » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:50 pm

Here's another take on the economics of football:

https://slate.com/culture/2017/12/wesle ... iness.html

Not sure, as someone who had a relative attend the CT College for Women in the 1920s, that CC has the alumni network to turn football into a cash cow. As someone who also recently toured the new science center (very impressive but then again $300 million still buys a lot in western MA), I'm afraid that Amherst and Williams have raised the ante if CC wants to be competitive in STEM. (And Smith is doing the same if reversion too all-girls school is complete).
Perhaps they need a new President, as that job primarily entails fundraising.
In the near term, I agree with retired jet that the best way to go is to hire a diving coach. A good diving coach can not only help the team recruit and score more points but also can generate decent $$$$ if they have the time to run a diving program.
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Re: NESCAC Recruiting Classes of 2022

Postby polarbear » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:33 pm

They don't even need to hire diving coach -- Brad Snodgrass coaches Tufts, MIT, and Northeastern, generally consolidating them all at MIT because it has the best facilities. Conn could have their divers practice at Coast Guard. Yes, there are issues when you don't have a diving coach at competition (see the Amherst female diver who had a meltdown a few years ago and just needed someone there to help steady her, I believe thats why Mandy Hixon now coaches just UMass), but that risk is still small.
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Re: NESCAC Recruiting Classes of 2022

Postby polarbear » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:21 pm

purpleandwhite wrote:Here's another take on the economics of football:

https://slate.com/culture/2017/12/wesle ... iness.html

Not sure, as someone who had a relative attend the CT College for Women in the 1920s, that CC has the alumni network to turn football into a cash cow. As someone who also recently toured the new science center (very impressive but then again $300 million still buys a lot in western MA), I'm afraid that Amherst and Williams have raised the ante if CC wants to be competitive in STEM. (And Smith is doing the same if reversion too all-girls school is complete).
Perhaps they need a new President, as that job primarily entails fundraising.
In the near term, I agree with retired jet that the best way to go is to hire a diving coach. A good diving coach can not only help the team recruit and score more points but also can generate decent $$$$ if they have the time to run a diving program.


FYI, there are a number of numbers that are just plan wrong in this article -- for example, at Bowdoin athletes' GPA is .01 higher than overall students (i.e. exactly the same). Wesleyan has had to do a bunch of work to turn its department around and as a result it has seen some of these issues around "fit," but theres no denying how good a job Whalen has done. And how it was tied to alumni saying they were tied of losing to A&W
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Re: NESCAC Recruiting Classes of 2022

Postby polarbear » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:50 pm

The Tufts roster is available -- you have to change 17-18 to 18-19 in the address if it has not been updated already. Pretty solid -- 2 guys under 4:00 in the IM, a 20.9, another guy at 46.2 / 1:40.1, a 50.4 backstoker. I think Williams may be better but its not far off. I did not see what attrition they had from last year, that tends to be a challenge for them.
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Re: NESCAC Recruiting Classes of 2022

Postby imJumbo » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:37 pm

Tufts
Cole Bassett - 21.5/49.0 free
Jack Freeman - 1:45/4:52 free
Devon French - 51.81/1:53.5 fly, 1:57 IM
Michael Gregorace - 52.2/1:52 back, 58.5/2:05 br, 1:53/3:59 IM
Thana Jarusinchai - 21.9/47.2/1:44 fr, 58.2 br, 51.4 fl, 1:53 IM (converted from SCM)
Joesph Kim - 1:40.6/4:37/9:25 fr, 53.0/1:50.9 bk, 59.4/2:07 br, 1:53/3:58 IM
Ryan Lynch - 22.5/48.2 fr, 59.5/2:08 br, 1:56/4:10 IM
Paul Schwartz - 4:43/9:53/16:42 fr
Tom Simon - 1:01 br, 2:07 IM
Nate Tingen - 22.0/47.4 fr, 23.8/50.6/1:53 bk, 51.7 fl, 1:54 IM
Victor Vollbrechthausen - 20.9/46.2/1:40.1 fr
Ethan Webster - 50.3/1:52 bk

Strong pickup. Big losses from last year include (but are not limited to) McElduff, Lau, and Wallace, but in the aggregate are made up quite well. Didn't see a ton of attrition, but I'm not sure. Key performers from last year I believe are all back.
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Re: NESCAC Recruiting Classes of 2022

Postby RetiredJet » Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:28 pm

Some slightly updated times from ImJumbo but here is what I found for the Tufts men/women

Tufts Men:
Cole Bassett: 21.59/48.11 Free
Devon French: 51.86/1:53.50 Fly 1:57.7/4:14.7 IM
Michael Gregorace: 52.2/1:52.9 Back 54.5/2:05.6 Breast 1:53.66/3:59.66 IM
Thana Jarusinchai: 21.9/47.25 Free 58.2 Breast 51.4 Fly 1:53.46 IM (converted from SCM)
Joseph Kim: 1:40.6/4:37.0/9:25.2/16:18 Free 52.8/1:50.9 Back 1:53.21/3:58.53 IM
Ryan Lynch: 59.54/2:08.9 Breast 1:56.85/4:10.6 IM
Paul Schwartz: 4:43.11/9:53.8/16:42.53 Free
Tom Simon: 1:01.6 Breast
Nate Tingen: 47.4/1:43.8 Free 50.6/1:53.7 Back 51.7 Fly 1:54.03 IM
Victor Vollbrechthausen: 20.9/46.2/1:40.11 Free
Ethan Webster: 1:42.85 Free 50.36/1:52.45 Back 52.9 Fly

Tufts Women:
Devina Bhalla: 24.53/52.19/1:53.92 Free
Juliette Bichon: 25.15/55.35/1:57.85 Free 1:00.25/2:11.6 Fly 2:11.3/4:35.5IM
Marguerite Blanc: 25.74/56.05/5:30.19/11:18.02 (converted from SCM)
Serena Derderian: 23.61/51.75/1:52.99/5:06.05 Free
Emma Donchi: 24.96/56.05 Free 58.28/2:06.87 Back 2:08.8/4:35.9 IM
Maia Golub: Diver
Mary Hufziger: 24.32/51.93/1:51.44/5:05.17Free 58.18/2:03.89 Back
Jeanette Khowong: 56.52/2:04.14 Back 58.6/2:07.8 Fly 2:07.8 IM
Ally Manyak: Diver
Samantha Nasson: 2:04.15/5:18.22/11:02.2/18:46.8 Free 2:17.7/4:42.86 IM
Emily Payne: 54.61/1:58.64 Free 1:01.01/2:11.41 Back
Hannah Spencer: 24.48/53.48 Free
Anne Younger: 24.34/53.24 Free 59.09 Back
Amy Socha (Kenyon transfer): 25.3/54.91/1:58.58 Free 55.7/2:04.95 Fly 2:14.08/4:38.91 IM

Some pretty big pickups for both the men and the women. Most of the men we knew about but adding Tingen and Webster may allow Tufts to move Bowen to the fly leg of the medley (21.5 his freshman year on the 2 medley relay). As far as I can tell they did not lose anyone major off of the NESCAC team so that's a very good sign for them as well.

While the men's class is impressive the women are bringing in a HUGE class. There are tons of great sprinters coming (highlighted by Serena Derderian). Mary Hufziger is also a huge pickup as she seems to be a great all around swimmer. Plus the addition of Socha who transferred from Kenyon is big. The women only lost 3 scoring seniors from last years NESCAC team (only 1 A final swim from those seniors) so I think you will see the women progress nicely. Did a quick check but last year the top 50 freestyler from Tufts was 24.7 and there are 5 women in this class faster than that so I expect a lot of young but fast relays from this team
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Re: NESCAC Recruiting Classes of 2022

Postby nescac123 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:28 am

Casey Keenan just added Conn on College Swimming.
21.8 - 47.6 - 142.7 Free
52.4 - 153.1 Back
Solid pickup and should help to round out some depth.
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